My New Toy, have to love E-bay
My New Toy, have to love E-bay
I just won this item. Can't wait to throw it into my Evo8.
It's the real deal. OMP made something like 200 of these to celebrate Tommi's 3rd consecutive WRC championship. I didn't have an EVO when it went on sale in 1998 but I do now. I still wanted one but it would have looked really out of place in a ITR.
I never thought I'd see one again.
It's the real deal. OMP made something like 200 of these to celebrate Tommi's 3rd consecutive WRC championship. I didn't have an EVO when it went on sale in 1998 but I do now. I still wanted one but it would have looked really out of place in a ITR.
I never thought I'd see one again.
Last edited by IzenGreyEvo7; Sep 15, 2003 at 06:02 PM.
thats great but why would you want to give up on the one airbag that may save your life 
unless you are using your car for racing only, i would think twice before i would put it on.
but it is a great buy even just to put it on the wall
unless you are using your car for racing only, i would think twice before i would put it on.
but it is a great buy even just to put it on the wall
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Awesome wheel , im jealous 
im a big fan of tommi.
I was hoping to maybe see him come back to
in WRC for mitsubishi's return next year.. but Tommi announced his retirement at the end of this year 
Kyle M.
im a big fan of tommi.I was hoping to maybe see him come back to
in WRC for mitsubishi's return next year.. but Tommi announced his retirement at the end of this year Kyle M.
That thing is so sweet. I can only imagine how much you paid for it, even on eBay. Great to hear that this is an off-road car and you don't have to worry about the legal issues of removing an airbag component on a car that was factory equipped with one. I am truely jealous and I wish that I could find a GVR-4 or an old Evo for track use. Something like this wouldn't ever make it in to any of my car's though, because I would be stupid enough to ruin the value of it in some way. If I had this, I would be smiling from ear to ear.
Great buy!
Josh
Great buy!
Josh
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It's not illegal to remove the air bag if you're the owner. It's illegal for anyone other than the owner to do so. I went through this when I put in a Mazdaspeed wheel on my FD. It's also not dangerous to drive around without the airbag. The airbag is a SRS. It's a supplement to the seat belt. It's main purpose is to protect occupants if they are primarily not wearing a seatbelt or if they sit close to the wheel. I drive with the seat as rearward as possible. It's a real marginal risk.
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It's also not dangerous to drive around without the airbag. The airbag is a SRS. It's a supplement to the seat belt. It's main purpose is to protect occupants if they are primarily not wearing a seatbelt or if they sit close to the wheel.
As for legality its all up to the state you live in. In PA the chances of it being inspectable are slim to none, and filing special "race" use paperwork will only harm your insurance legalities. Alas try to get insurance with a roll cage, not easy.
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The Air bag is specifically designed work in conjuction with the seat belt, but the seat belt is the primary restraint. It is not designed to work with the airbag.
The airbag is supplemental, meaning it is their to help, but the seat belt is meant to do the job.
In multiple impact collisions, the airbag is a major detriment. In other words if your going to crash and you know it and can place the car so the first collision is not going to completely stop you and probably kill you, it's better to bounce off somewthing without an airbag so you are not blinded and can maintain control of your car to bring it to a stop.
But since most idiots out their are too busy yapping on their cell phones and gulping down a slurpee to notice anything is coming let along something bad, Air Bags are there to help the brainless who can't see the bus ahead is stopped and when the plow into the back of it, the airbag helps to blacken their eyes as a reminder that they weren't paying attention or following at a proper distance. One good thing about them is usually cell phones and coffee gets smashed into peoples faces as an additional reminder to pay attention.
I'll always stick with a racing harness and lose the airbag and its weight. Plus too many children are killed by them because parents don't know how to properly place thier children in cars.
The airbag is supplemental, meaning it is their to help, but the seat belt is meant to do the job.
In multiple impact collisions, the airbag is a major detriment. In other words if your going to crash and you know it and can place the car so the first collision is not going to completely stop you and probably kill you, it's better to bounce off somewthing without an airbag so you are not blinded and can maintain control of your car to bring it to a stop.
But since most idiots out their are too busy yapping on their cell phones and gulping down a slurpee to notice anything is coming let along something bad, Air Bags are there to help the brainless who can't see the bus ahead is stopped and when the plow into the back of it, the airbag helps to blacken their eyes as a reminder that they weren't paying attention or following at a proper distance. One good thing about them is usually cell phones and coffee gets smashed into peoples faces as an additional reminder to pay attention.
I'll always stick with a racing harness and lose the airbag and its weight. Plus too many children are killed by them because parents don't know how to properly place thier children in cars.
The deployment distance of the airbag in a steering wheel is ineffective if the seat is near the end of it's track. With the 4-8% stretch of seat belt webbing you have to be at least within the first 80% of seat travel for the airbag to make contact with an average 5'8" driver. On taller drivers over 6" the airbag is almost completelty ineffective as the contact area is beyond the ideal center collision surface.
I was a an automotive design major in college. It's highly complicated as to when an airbag is effective. In the majority of impacts it has been shown that they provide minimal protection and in a large percentage of cases additional injuries. A properly worn 3 point seat belt is very effective at protecting passengers in a frontal and rear collision.
I was a an automotive design major in college. It's highly complicated as to when an airbag is effective. In the majority of impacts it has been shown that they provide minimal protection and in a large percentage of cases additional injuries. A properly worn 3 point seat belt is very effective at protecting passengers in a frontal and rear collision.
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Guys, if you're looking for one - I have the latest model up for grabs (the 4 year version).. check it out..
http://lancerregister.com/showthread...threadid=69981
I tried to post it up for sale here, but i'm not allowed to post in the classifieds
http://lancerregister.com/showthread...threadid=69981
I tried to post it up for sale here, but i'm not allowed to post in the classifieds
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NICE WHEEL!!!!
Ok. For those who really aren't sure and would like to know the straight scoop on airbags:
Airbags (frontal) are designed (in accordance with federal guidelines developed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to deploy in frontal impact (within 30 degrees of direct frontal impact) collisions of over approximately 14mph (speed varying from year to year and with manufacturer) The deployment rate of the airbag (rate of inflation) has been modified. In the 1980's and most of the 90's, the airbags deployed at a rate of 140-200 mph over 50 milliseconds. This rapid inflation rate worked well with seatbelted passengers who were an adequate distance (usually 14-16 inches minimum...and optimally 24" or more) from the airbag. The dilemma was this: Airbags helped significantly in reducing severe injuries when people were belted but sometimes caused more severe injuries than the crash would have otherwise (broken forearms and wrists, burns from the sodium azide propellant, "rug" burns from the bag abrading skin, and respiratory difficulties in persons who had a pulmonary reaction to the powders and particles inhaled from the airbag deployment (usually asthmatics).
Decreasing the rate of inflation helped significantly with the rate of forearm/wrist injuries, the degree of burns, etc...but it also severely handicapped unrestrained (no seatbelt) drivers who had their second collision (body vs car-I'm-driving) before the airbag was deployed. Because a lot of people don't wear seat belts, the biomechanics engineers (speak up if you're here because you know more about this than I do) compromised and made the rates of inflation somewhat too fast for the belted passenger and somewhat too slow for the unbelted passenger...but ok for both. I don't know what these rates are now set at but they are significantly slower than 140 mph in 50 msec.
If you are a belted driver, sitting 16" from the steering wheel, and you have a frontal impact collision of significant force...you ARE better off with the airbag in the VAST majority of cases. It prevents severe neck injuries (less flexion), severe head injuries from the steering wheel and w/s, and, most importantly, decreases your rate of deceleration so that your third collision (your organs against your body cavity) is not as severe. In particular, you have a ligament (a non-flexible strap of tissue) attached to your aorta (the big artery that comes out of your heart and feeds blood to your entire body) in the middle of your chest. If you stop too fast (hit a wall...hit the steering wheel too fast...have a non-collapsing old car...get in a head on collision) you will tear your aorta as it rips off this ligament attaching it to the back of your chest. You die in seconds. This is a good reason to decellerate more slowly...which a seatbelt does a good job of...but an airbag aids quite a bit in a severe collision.
Maybe we should further limit when they will deploy, but it's tough to get them open fast enough if they don't start deploying at the first sign of a serious collision. So they deploy more often than they ideally should (in fact a lot more often) but in serious accidents, really help.
Now as for all the naysayers who want to claim that "you're better off without an airbag" (and I'm speaking strictly in terms of a passenger vehicle with the stock 3-point restraints, not racing harnesses and such)...that is just ignorance.
In regards to SEATBELTS , there are countless...and I mean COUNTLESS people who will rush to tell you their story of how they would have been dead if they were wearing their seatbelt. (Try finding a group of half a dozen where there isn't one telling you their story if you bring this up) This is absolute ignorance. Yes, there are cases...very rare...less than one percent of accidents...where wearing a seatbelt is a detrement. The VAST majority of the time you are MUCH better off with the seatbelt. Anyone telling you that you're better off not wearing your seatbelt "cause there was this one time and they told me I would have been dead if I had been wearing it"...you would hopefully ignore. They might even be right, but you are a savvy educated person who knows you're not going to likely recreate the exact (though questionable) details of this persons accident when you're in one. You are smarter than the average kindergartener and thus know that you are statistically MUCH more likely to be injured NOT wearing your seatbelt...so you wear it. (anyone on here who doesn't wear their seat-belt because they are smart and know better...just look at my username and take a deep breath...then know that you are headed the way of CroMagnon man...and you have about as much understanding of modern technology too...in fact it's amazing that you can operate a computer at all, much less drive a car)
As for the rest of us...we all know that a seatbelt is a serious benefit almost ALL the time in an accident.
My long-winded point I'm coming back to is this:
Please base the benefit of using an airbag on the DATA...not on garage mechanic supposition. It turns out that airbags are very effective at decreasing the incidence of serious injuries and you are much more likely to benefit from an airbag than be hurt significantly by one. The case for airbags is not nearly as good as for seatbelts and the benefit is not as great....not nearly...but they ARE designed to be used in conjunction with a seatbelt, marginally help those not belted, and significantly reduce injuries in the vast majority of serious collisions. If you got a forearm abrasion from one and wouldn't have been injured otherwise...be grateful that you didn't have a more serious accident.
Ok. For those who really aren't sure and would like to know the straight scoop on airbags:
Airbags (frontal) are designed (in accordance with federal guidelines developed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) to deploy in frontal impact (within 30 degrees of direct frontal impact) collisions of over approximately 14mph (speed varying from year to year and with manufacturer) The deployment rate of the airbag (rate of inflation) has been modified. In the 1980's and most of the 90's, the airbags deployed at a rate of 140-200 mph over 50 milliseconds. This rapid inflation rate worked well with seatbelted passengers who were an adequate distance (usually 14-16 inches minimum...and optimally 24" or more) from the airbag. The dilemma was this: Airbags helped significantly in reducing severe injuries when people were belted but sometimes caused more severe injuries than the crash would have otherwise (broken forearms and wrists, burns from the sodium azide propellant, "rug" burns from the bag abrading skin, and respiratory difficulties in persons who had a pulmonary reaction to the powders and particles inhaled from the airbag deployment (usually asthmatics).
Decreasing the rate of inflation helped significantly with the rate of forearm/wrist injuries, the degree of burns, etc...but it also severely handicapped unrestrained (no seatbelt) drivers who had their second collision (body vs car-I'm-driving) before the airbag was deployed. Because a lot of people don't wear seat belts, the biomechanics engineers (speak up if you're here because you know more about this than I do) compromised and made the rates of inflation somewhat too fast for the belted passenger and somewhat too slow for the unbelted passenger...but ok for both. I don't know what these rates are now set at but they are significantly slower than 140 mph in 50 msec.
If you are a belted driver, sitting 16" from the steering wheel, and you have a frontal impact collision of significant force...you ARE better off with the airbag in the VAST majority of cases. It prevents severe neck injuries (less flexion), severe head injuries from the steering wheel and w/s, and, most importantly, decreases your rate of deceleration so that your third collision (your organs against your body cavity) is not as severe. In particular, you have a ligament (a non-flexible strap of tissue) attached to your aorta (the big artery that comes out of your heart and feeds blood to your entire body) in the middle of your chest. If you stop too fast (hit a wall...hit the steering wheel too fast...have a non-collapsing old car...get in a head on collision) you will tear your aorta as it rips off this ligament attaching it to the back of your chest. You die in seconds. This is a good reason to decellerate more slowly...which a seatbelt does a good job of...but an airbag aids quite a bit in a severe collision.
Maybe we should further limit when they will deploy, but it's tough to get them open fast enough if they don't start deploying at the first sign of a serious collision. So they deploy more often than they ideally should (in fact a lot more often) but in serious accidents, really help.
Now as for all the naysayers who want to claim that "you're better off without an airbag" (and I'm speaking strictly in terms of a passenger vehicle with the stock 3-point restraints, not racing harnesses and such)...that is just ignorance.
In regards to SEATBELTS , there are countless...and I mean COUNTLESS people who will rush to tell you their story of how they would have been dead if they were wearing their seatbelt. (Try finding a group of half a dozen where there isn't one telling you their story if you bring this up) This is absolute ignorance. Yes, there are cases...very rare...less than one percent of accidents...where wearing a seatbelt is a detrement. The VAST majority of the time you are MUCH better off with the seatbelt. Anyone telling you that you're better off not wearing your seatbelt "cause there was this one time and they told me I would have been dead if I had been wearing it"...you would hopefully ignore. They might even be right, but you are a savvy educated person who knows you're not going to likely recreate the exact (though questionable) details of this persons accident when you're in one. You are smarter than the average kindergartener and thus know that you are statistically MUCH more likely to be injured NOT wearing your seatbelt...so you wear it. (anyone on here who doesn't wear their seat-belt because they are smart and know better...just look at my username and take a deep breath...then know that you are headed the way of CroMagnon man...and you have about as much understanding of modern technology too...in fact it's amazing that you can operate a computer at all, much less drive a car)
As for the rest of us...we all know that a seatbelt is a serious benefit almost ALL the time in an accident.
My long-winded point I'm coming back to is this:
Please base the benefit of using an airbag on the DATA...not on garage mechanic supposition. It turns out that airbags are very effective at decreasing the incidence of serious injuries and you are much more likely to benefit from an airbag than be hurt significantly by one. The case for airbags is not nearly as good as for seatbelts and the benefit is not as great....not nearly...but they ARE designed to be used in conjunction with a seatbelt, marginally help those not belted, and significantly reduce injuries in the vast majority of serious collisions. If you got a forearm abrasion from one and wouldn't have been injured otherwise...be grateful that you didn't have a more serious accident.
