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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 06:04 AM
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Question Tien Flex and EDFC concerns

I just installed my Tein Flex coilovers. In the manual it says the coilovers are 16way
adjustable. It also says to click to 8th position (middle). When i went to adjust them i found that they click 28 times... all of them. If i turn the adjuster to the left (softer) it actually "clicks". When i turn it to the right (harder) it doesn't have the same click feeling.

The EDFC (which i haven't installed yet) I took out of the box and the controller had something loose inside. I didn't open the case but I flipped it all around to try and
see if i could tell what was moving around in there. Then the rattle stopped.
I dont know if i should take it apart and look. Or if I should just not install it and send it back to where i bought it. Only problem is, now it doesnt rattle, so they may think there is nothing wrong with it. I don't want the warranty to be void on it if i install it or take it apart.

If anyone has any experience with either of these please give me some knowledge.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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When you install the EDFC you will take off the stock knob on top. It will ask you to reset the height of the adjustment screw on the inside. It should only adjust 16 times. Tein says turning it to far could damage the shock. If you want to keep you stock knobs and not install the EDFC take off the knobs adjust teh screw to the top(so it is level with the top) then reinstall the knobs. Hope this helps.

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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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ya, if you turned it that many times you may have damaged the damper. the instructions say when manually adjusting to always set to hardest, where it will stop, then count back from there to your desired spot. they will turn past the 16th spot and this can ruin them. BE CAREFUL.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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Thanks for the info. I will try the adjustment screw when i go to install the EDFC.
I don't think I turned it too much. It does have a point where it just stops turning.
But that is what I was afraid of. I couldn't tell if was turning too far or not. As I metioned, when i adjust towards the stiffer setting it doesn't "click"... it's does feel like its broken. but if i turn it back it "clicks" as is should. only it clicks 28 times. on all 4 struts. which is why i think it may be normal. but i'm still doubtful becuase they should only click 16 times
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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i dont think you're understanding what we're saying. read your manual. the struts will allow you to turn past 16 clicks, THIS IS BAD. you may have already ruined them by going 28 clicks. to adjust you MUST turn all the way stiff (counter clockwise) until it stops, this is its stiffest setting. from there you click back to softer, only up to 16 clicks. the strut will allow you to go past 16, YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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well if they do "allow" you to turn past 16 clicks. then i f'd them up. cause they just keep clicking. thanks for letting me know. guess they're screwed now.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:47 PM
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You are not screwed yet. Alot of people do this and their struts are fine. Take the knobs off the top. Use a hex key to bring the black pin in the center to the top so it is level with the top of the strut where the knob sits. Then stick the knob back on a screw it down until it is tight then tighten the knob down. Then tighten them(via the adjustment knob) down (stiffer) until they stop clicking. Then you are all the way stiff. Go 8 clicks back and you are in the center and another 8 and you are all soft.

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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 03:56 PM
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why aren't they clicking when he turns it counter clockwise to stiff. I think that's one of his questions. is that a problem.

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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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We have seen it on many of these coilovers. We cannot figure out why it happens whether it is front install or shipping. But "resetting" the coilovers has fixed it every time on our customers cars

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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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ok. the stiffest setting is NOT all the way counter clockwise (to the left). i have tein SS which uses the same 16 way adjustment system and the stiffest (setting 16) is all the way to the RIGHT (clockwise). that's what it says in the manual and that's what it feels like when i adjust it, so i'm 100% sure about that. actually it hits 16 (max to the right), then goes another half click, but from what i understand that half click doesn't count, so u wanna back out to the previous click. they WILL keep turning to the left even after you reach 0 stiffness, but that won't always kill the dampener, just don't do it again. if you have other questions, feel free to ask me.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 05:05 PM
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This just doesnt add up. You say counter clockwise. Tein says clockwise is is the hardest setting.
I got home a half hour ago and set them fully counter clockwise as you stated. Then I went for a test drive. I came back and set them 16 clicks clockwise. Test drove again. They are definetly stiffer clockwise. But.. they will keep going. I can keep clicking it clockwise. So if you are wrong and Tein is right. Turning them clock wise should be full stiff. And according to the manual... "When shipped from the manufacturer, the adjustment knob was set at the hardest setting (fully clockwise). Confrim that the adjustment knob (located at the top of the piston rod) has not been moved from its position. 1. Use the included (HEX wrench) turn the adjustment knob on top of the piston rod to the hardest setting (full clockwise). 2. From the full clockwise position, turn the adjustment knob counter clockwise until the "Standard Values" listed below are reached. STANDARD VALUE: Turn back 8 clicks from hardest setting." - this is straight out of the installation manual.
I'm going to go back now and set them full clock wise and test drive.
But it doesnt seem to matter what I do if the still click 28 times.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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Sorry, I didn't re-new my screen, so i posted based on DOHCVTEC's last post.
I'm still going to go check it the way the manual says and joizeex says.
If I still think its an issue. I will do the "reset" proceedure that Ben says.
Thanks guys.. I let you know soon.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 05:15 PM
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The design allows up to 28 clicks, this is true. However, Tein is warning that turning past 16 clicks counterclockwise can cause damage to the dampers if you drive on them..... and really, it's probably if you drive on them past 16 all the time or are too rough that one time you go out.... but why are you even concerned? At the track, they're like 4 way adjustable (fiddle between 1-4 up front and 0-3 in the rear) and off the track anything less than 6 is too bouncy for me.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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Well, that calms my nerves a bit. When i had them set all the way down 28 clicks, I only drove it once for like 3 miles. It was like driving a stock civic.
I turned it up 16 clicks from all the way down and they definetly got stiffer. Now I have just turned them all the way up (to that half click, and clicked it back down once). Drove it. and it is a bit stiffer. Still not half as stiff as I thought it would be with 10kg F and 10kg R. I was thinking it would be quite a bit stiffer.
But now they squeak (especially from the rear) going over floating, minor bumps.
When the were all the way down (28 clicks) they didnt make any noise but they were soft as microwaved butter.
The click still doesn't really "click" turning clockwise. Nothing like the click when turning counter clock wise. Does this indicate a problem with them?
Also..
Is it possible to make them stiffer by setting some pre-load on the springs?
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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dont' worry too much about lack of click clockwise, because the most sure way to get the proper stiffness is to go all the way clockwise (16, stiffest) then just count down (counter clockwise) from there to the desired setting.

squeakyness is considered normal for aftermarket suspension, it could be the flat rubber thing (dammit, wtf is it called? ) in the top shock mount. just check to see if springs are seated correctly.

spring preload will make it feel stiffer and will have less body roll, but it's not the same thing as setting stiffer dampening. tuning something like tein flex to make it better than stock evo setup is not an easy task. if you have the $ i suggest finding a place to do corner weighing as you set height/preload, or else with all the different settings (separate preload/height) your car might not turn to the left the same exact way as turning to the right. you do this basically after you decide what height you want your car to sit at to clear driveways and such to make it streetable.

once you tune the springs and height, you can change dampening stiffness depending where you drive on that day.

this is all oversimplified since unfortunately i cant tell you the best way to tune your car. my tein ss package is on my integra btw. i haven't done any corner weighing on it and i know it's not tuned perfectly, but it's way better than stock suspension and i'm not building a race car here, so small differences between turning left or right is not bad, as integra is not as precise of a car as evo.
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