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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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ok im looking to lower my evo.
now if i just go with springs, isnt my car going to have some negetive camber?
i want my car lowered, but i dont want to be replacing tires a lot.

what are some ways to fix this?
is there a camber adjusting kit i can buy?
will i need a camber kit?

also, the springs are going to be on the Bilstein MR shocks...
anyone have any experience with the ride on these shocks with lowering springs?
also, should i be worried about blowing out a shock?
the shocks are pretty much new, only 8000 miles on them

sorry about all the questions... i searched and could find the answers im looking for. im new when it comes to all the suspension on the evo
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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I suggest reading a little further into your search findings. I searched "camber tire wear" and came up with a page full of threads that address your problem directly. Specifically, it's not camber that wears tires, it's the toe. So you don't need to buy a camber "kit", camber doesn't need to be corrected. You will need an alignment to zero out your toe.
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Incorrect camber can cause you tires to wear on the inside. Incorrectly set toe can also cause tires to wear unevenly. You shouldn't need to get a camber kit though I've seen plenty of people lower there evos, get an alignment and be just fine. The evo suspension has an off center bolt on the lower part of it that can be adjusted to correct camber. You should be fine on the shocks and the ride shouldn't be to different depending the springs you'll be using.
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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Camber generally doesn't wear faster... just unevenly. Toe will ehf shish up, if incorrect. And don't buy S-techs, just incase you were looking into them. Soft, mushy etc.... I wouldn't say the S-techs KILLL handling, they just don't improve much, if at all. They do look sweet though.

Espleir, or Tanabe springs are good from what I read. Or just save and spring for a nice set of coil-overs. I want coil-overs
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 06:24 AM
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You don't need to buy a camber kit. Just get an alignment after you get your install and you're set. Make sure they zero your toe.

Here's a few photos of our new Racecomp/GTWorx springs on an MR:




We designed them to have a mild to medium drop, great ride quality, and maximum performance increase. These aren't show car springs, these are for real cars. And they are even better with MR Bilsteins.....

We're in Elkridge, MD too, so we can install them for you if you'd like.

A recent review:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=295851

And the thread that details the development of the springs (with more reviews and pics at the end):
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=217693



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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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so what springs do you recommend?

and is there a thread where i can see some pictures of the cars on the springs?
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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I posted 2 pics right above you, and two links to threads with more pictures and reviews

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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 11:58 AM
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There are plenty of good springs out there, but the most common one used is by
Tein
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by h.funk
There are plenty of good springs out there, but the most common one used is by
Tein
Uh......no.
If you're referring to the Tein S-Tech; do some research on these. They are horrible for performance as the drop is too much.

GTWorx, WORKS, Swifts, Espiler GT --> all respectable

Seriously, do some searching. I alone have posted this same exact answer in like 15 threads.

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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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Most people use springs just for the look. I dont think that they much of a performance gain. If your looking for better handeling spend the extra money on coil overs.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by h.funk
Most people use springs just for the look. I dont think that they much of a performance gain. If your looking for better handeling spend the extra money on coil overs.
Well, if you're experience is limited to Tein S-techs, then yeah, I can't blame you for saying springs are not much of a performance gain. S-techs slam the crap out of the car, are super soft, and handling goes to poo.



BUT not all springs are the same. We don't subscribe to the theory that springs are for looks only, and we designed our springs with performance as our main goal. We've increased the spring rates by a pretty big amount while keeping a subtle drop, preserving travel to maintain good ride quality.


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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GTWORX.com
Well, if you're experience is limited to Tein S-techs, then yeah, I can't blame you for saying springs are not much of a performance gain. S-techs slam the crap out of the car, are super soft, and handling goes to poo.



BUT not all springs are the same. We don't subscribe to the theory that springs are for looks only, and we designed our springs with performance as our main goal. We've increased the spring rates by a pretty big amount while keeping a subtle drop, preserving travel to maintain good ride quality.


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I never said all spings are the same. If your gonna tack the car spend the extra cash and get coils.
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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Coilovers are great ....but I'd spend the extra cash on seat time....you don't need coilovers to track your car. People track the stock car all the time, and as long as the brakes are up to it, there's nothing to worry about. If you can afford them, go for it, but it can be helpful to just focus on driving (not set-up) when you're starting out.

Just my opinion. I love coilovers, they're a ton of fun to screw around with and you can get a ton of grip. But if I'm new to the track and trying to improve my skills, I want a softer, less edgy, cheaper, easier solution i don't need to think about.

That said, if a good deal came along......


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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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i def agree with the seat time.
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