lowering my car need advice
Again, What evidence do you have to back this up? With a proper alignment with good springs, on more than 20 different cars, I have improved lateral and transitional lateral acceleration with springs alone. Proper lowering springs not only enhance apearance, but also lower the center of gravity. With the correct spring rates they increase traction to the corners.
Why all the hatred towards springs on this site? I have had nothing but good experiences with well engineered springs. True there are some springs that drop cars so much that you bottom out the strut housings, but those don't qualify as "good" or "well engineered" springs in my book, and thus I don't use them.
Why all the hatred towards springs on this site? I have had nothing but good experiences with well engineered springs. True there are some springs that drop cars so much that you bottom out the strut housings, but those don't qualify as "good" or "well engineered" springs in my book, and thus I don't use them.
In our cars, it's best to accompany a drop with the roll center correction kit, the bump steer correction, precision steering kit, a proper corner balance, and proper alignment.
Lowering a car properly is NOT just slapping some springs on it guys and having adjustability will make things easier if you have a good shop or know how to do the setup yourself.
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Agreed--lowering is great! It makes the car look better and handle better with proper supporting mods and/or setup--but I'd rather do it with coilovers. Some springs lower the car far too much and ruin the arm/rod angles, increase roll couple, and can be too stiff for the vehicle to even gain traction.
In our cars, it's best to accompany a drop with the roll center correction kit, the bump steer correction, precision steering kit, a proper corner balance, and proper alignment.
Lowering a car properly is NOT just slapping some springs on it guys and having adjustability will make things easier if you have a good shop or know how to do the setup yourself.
In our cars, it's best to accompany a drop with the roll center correction kit, the bump steer correction, precision steering kit, a proper corner balance, and proper alignment.
Lowering a car properly is NOT just slapping some springs on it guys and having adjustability will make things easier if you have a good shop or know how to do the setup yourself.
Exactly like he said, which is my setup (on an 06 IX MR is)
Swift MR springs
Whiteline roll center adjusters
whiteline bump steer correction kit
whiteline precision steering kit
whiteline front and read sway bars
whiteline front and rear adjustable end links
I am going to be playing with my alignment settings over the next couple months to see what is best for my type of driving.
If I were to do coil overs, I would have to purchase all of those except the springs.
Very few shops have the know how, or the equipment to properly corner balance a car. a huge percentage of coil-over owners (I would guess over 90%) do not have their car properly setup and have actually damaged their handleing. you cannot setup coilovers with just a measuring tape, which nearly all coil-over owners do.
The swift springs do not lower the car too much for the struts, and while they do hurt some of the angles, they are easily correctable.
The key to getting the best performance out of a drop (whether it is with springs or coil-overs) is to get the proper supporting mods to handle it.
I am not a fan of coilovers on street cars because a large percentage of the population does not set them up correctly, nor has access to cornering scales to do so.
More adjustment does not mean a better suspension. In many cases it just gives you more ways of shooting yourself in the foot.
More adjustment does not mean a better suspension. In many cases it just gives you more ways of shooting yourself in the foot.
If you track the car a lot, then coilovers are great. But if you only track your car a few times a year, Shocks and springs should be more then good enough.
Robi uses an Espelier GT springs for his basic setup as of last year. The swift MR (even for GSRs) are also the recommended choice if you want better ride, handling, and lap times. The stock springs are too soft for the stock damping and I know a guy with the swifts on his IXRS and likes them as well. Espeliers led the pack on the 10 springs Robi tested for laptimes, dunno what others he tested.
If you really want to dig up more search, you'll come to the same conclusions. I know there are lots of choices. I ended up going to Coilovers and just do the thing to last a long time, but I'm an aspiring autocrosser.
If you really want to dig up more search, you'll come to the same conclusions. I know there are lots of choices. I ended up going to Coilovers and just do the thing to last a long time, but I'm an aspiring autocrosser.
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By the use of the word "proably" I assume you have nothing to back this claim up.
Why do you feel/know the use of Swift springs would be worse than stock? Or if this is a guess, what do you have to back this up?
I am not a fan of coilovers on street cars because a large percentage of the population does not set them up correctly, nor has access to cornering scales to do so.
More adjustment does not mean a better suspension. In many cases it just gives you more ways of shooting yourself in the foot.
Why do you feel/know the use of Swift springs would be worse than stock? Or if this is a guess, what do you have to back this up?
I am not a fan of coilovers on street cars because a large percentage of the population does not set them up correctly, nor has access to cornering scales to do so.
More adjustment does not mean a better suspension. In many cases it just gives you more ways of shooting yourself in the foot.
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What were your alignment specs before/after? What shocks were you using? How did it handle worse? was there under/oversteer? What were your camber settings before/after? were your shocks bottoming out?
What was worse with your car after you put on these springs, and how did going with coil-overs fix this problem?
Again, What evidence do you have to back this up? With a proper alignment with good springs, on more than 20 different cars, I have improved lateral and transitional lateral acceleration with springs alone. Proper lowering springs not only enhance apearance, but also lower the center of gravity. With the correct spring rates they increase traction to the corners.
Why all the hatred towards springs on this site? I have had nothing but good experiences with well engineered springs. True there are some springs that drop cars so much that you bottom out the strut housings, but those don't qualify as "good" or "well engineered" springs in my book, and thus I don't use them.
Why all the hatred towards springs on this site? I have had nothing but good experiences with well engineered springs. True there are some springs that drop cars so much that you bottom out the strut housings, but those don't qualify as "good" or "well engineered" springs in my book, and thus I don't use them.
It's very important that you do not lump all springs together and judge them all based on the performance of 1 (especially when that 1 is green), just as you shouldn't judge all coilovers based on experience with 1 set.
There is a wide range of both, from total crap to total awesome.
- Andrew....fighting prejudice since the day he was born!
There is a wide range of both, from total crap to total awesome.
- Andrew....fighting prejudice since the day he was born!