replacement brake pads
I've heard great and horrible things about the hawk ceramic. I was planning on getting them until a couple of shops told me to stay away. I was tempted by slightly better than stock heat resistance and nearly no dust, but what people are telling me is making me think twice since I was overheating badly at Autobahn on the last track day (granted, all stock braking setup at the time).
I've also looked at the satisfied gransport gs5, but I can't find much about them.
If I can't make a decision soon I'll probably wind up throwing some PF Z metallics on the front. The rear should hold out alot longer.
I've also looked at the satisfied gransport gs5, but I can't find much about them.
If I can't make a decision soon I'll probably wind up throwing some PF Z metallics on the front. The rear should hold out alot longer.
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I have the Hawk HPS and they are working for me. I have about 330 HP and run a few HDPE's, and they seem to be holding up well. I'm also planning on getting cooling ducts which should help some too.
They only squeal right as I come to a slow stop, but not bad.
I know another guy who ran the HPS with a little more HP (but only a second less time) and they disintegrated.
So I guess it depends on how hard you plan on running them.
hope that helps
They only squeal right as I come to a slow stop, but not bad.
I know another guy who ran the HPS with a little more HP (but only a second less time) and they disintegrated.
So I guess it depends on how hard you plan on running them.
hope that helps
Just some FYI for everyone.
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I've heard great and horrible things about the hawk ceramic. I was planning on getting them until a couple of shops told me to stay away. I was tempted by slightly better than stock heat resistance and nearly no dust, but what people are telling me is making me think twice since I was overheating badly at Autobahn on the last track day (granted, all stock braking setup at the time).
I've also looked at the satisfied gransport gs5, but I can't find much about them.
If I can't make a decision soon I'll probably wind up throwing some PF Z metallics on the front. The rear should hold out alot longer.
I've also looked at the satisfied gransport gs5, but I can't find much about them.
If I can't make a decision soon I'll probably wind up throwing some PF Z metallics on the front. The rear should hold out alot longer.
I have run the GS5's for street use. Rated to 850*F. Still not true track pads. I would recommend getting all out track day pads.
Then would you recommend the HP-Plus? Does anyone have any experience with these?
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On another note; Be careful with the track day pad concept. Go too far, and you will have bad cold grip. If you're only tracking your car or are willing to swap pads before/after each track event, then yes, go high grade in anything you get, but if you want to drive the car home with those pads, don't go too far.
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One must know what temps they run at. And I swap pads for HPDEs.
Ok - Ill add this: track pads are made for the tracks. Not for the street. Swap them out.
I have an IR heat gun. After every session I check the temps.
Ok - Ill add this: track pads are made for the tracks. Not for the street. Swap them out.
I have an IR heat gun. After every session I check the temps.
HT10 and HT14 for track days on street tires, and the DTC-60's and 70's for use with R-comp tires.
Hawk Blues have some of the most brutal, corrosive, wheel destroying brake dust ever and I'd recommend using the other Hawk pads instead. I'd avoid them if they were free.
- Andrew
As SmikeEvo said....track pads are for the track and street pads are for the street.
It is so much easier in the long run to have a dedicated street pad and a dedicated track pad. You pay more, but your rotors will last longer, your brakes will be quiet on the street, and most importantly, you can use your brakes on the track!
My favorites in order:
Street - Ferodo 2500, Pagid 4-2-1, stock, and if you really don't care and want something cheap then the Stoptech/centric parts ceramic pads are fine (99 bucks for 4 corners).
Track with street tires - Pagid Yellows, Hawk HT-10 or HT-14
Track with r-comp tires - Hawk DTC-60's, PFC-01
- andrew
It is so much easier in the long run to have a dedicated street pad and a dedicated track pad. You pay more, but your rotors will last longer, your brakes will be quiet on the street, and most importantly, you can use your brakes on the track!
My favorites in order:
Street - Ferodo 2500, Pagid 4-2-1, stock, and if you really don't care and want something cheap then the Stoptech/centric parts ceramic pads are fine (99 bucks for 4 corners).
Track with street tires - Pagid Yellows, Hawk HT-10 or HT-14
Track with r-comp tires - Hawk DTC-60's, PFC-01
- andrew
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^ word 
2500s have the most bite I have driven on for street pads. GS5's are close to that. HPS have more of a stock feel - aka more you push more you stop. The other two are instant on.
The HT10s I have have been great with my Z1s.
2500s have the most bite I have driven on for street pads. GS5's are close to that. HPS have more of a stock feel - aka more you push more you stop. The other two are instant on.
The HT10s I have have been great with my Z1s.
I was planning on painting my rotors with some heat sticks prior to a session at the next HDPE. How do you estimate your peak temps? The rotors must have cooled by the time you can put a heat gun on 'em.
great info guy's. this has been the best thread on the topic so far, thanks
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Ye be warned. Lazy can be costly.
Coming off the track right after a hot lap and having a friend with my IR gun shooting my rotors/pads gives me the closest data to what temps they are at. Rotors wont cool that much in that time.
At my last track day it was 40* and raining. My brake ducts were closed and I still was seeing 750+ F up front and 400s in the rear.
Coming off the track right after a hot lap and having a friend with my IR gun shooting my rotors/pads gives me the closest data to what temps they are at. Rotors wont cool that much in that time.
At my last track day it was 40* and raining. My brake ducts were closed and I still was seeing 750+ F up front and 400s in the rear.
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Oh, was he asking for track pads? I use those on my Evo for street driving and they work great. Hope I didn't cause any confusion
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