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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 06:33 PM
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No deal Carl!!!!!

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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 06:34 PM
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take off the rear sway bar and re=install the oem like chu said.
or call mueller and tell them so they can adjust their secret sauce since you paid. :P
i read somewhere on here that some autoxers run no rear sway. correct me if im wrong tho.
Soft bar can only do so much. Sway bars are for fine tuning not broad strokes.

Only when they have a lot of rear spring rate.

Assess spring rates. Look at droop travel.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by luckybull
Spring rates are unknown. Mueller doesnt generally release them.
car handles well over all. feels very flat on the street.

I realize its considered "normal" to lift the rear tires.. but i want to find a way to fix it/cure it. more tire on the ground=better traction=faster times.
Good, you got that! Now, remove your rear sway bar. I'm 100% on this. The car is too stiff with the rear bar, so the inside tire lifts. Go back to the stock bar.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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If i go back to the stock bar, it will understeer like crazy!

I loosened the rear sway bar 1 notch today and it understeered badly, and still lifted tire all over the place.

i had to run a massive amount of tire pressure to get it to rotate or not roll the front tires over. was running 41psi front and 43 rear.
car still didnt handle that great.
so i think if i remove the front bar totally, its only going to get worse!
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by luckybull
Spring rates are unknown. Mueller doesnt generally release them.
car handles well over all. feels very flat on the street.

I realize its considered "normal" to lift the rear tires.. but i want to find a way to fix it/cure it. more tire on the ground=better traction=faster times.
You really should have the spring rates, it's hard to help you without them. Are there any numbers on your springs?

This is also a reason I like the WL 24mm rear sway, it's not too big but helps just enough.

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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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You're masking the understeering issue by using a big rear bar, which causes the inside rear to lift. Are you running the Robispec 27mm? Also, try to find out the rates as GT Worx suggested. If these are the Paul Gerrard/Vishnu Ohlins, I don't recall the rates being very high at all.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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follow mr Smike's orders..... he knows anything and everything and is an evo guru. Super genius with 300 IQ i tells ya.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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Contact john Mueller...
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chu
You're masking the understeering issue by using a big rear bar, which causes the inside rear to lift. Are you running the Robispec 27mm? Also, try to find out the rates as GT Worx suggested. If these are the Paul Gerrard/Vishnu Ohlins, I don't recall the rates being very high at all.
The ohlins were the spring and shock I inststalled on my friends evo 9. Non height adjustable using Eibach springs. Dampers are adjustable, he used higher damper setting in the rear for optimal performance. Lowered only 1 inch feels good on the streets, not very scared to scrape at all. Using durezza star spec Z1 tires or whatever they are called, the car handles good, slight oversteer at the limit, plenty of grip before breaking traction, can scare your passengers like with oem advans. stock suspension parts otherwise no sway bar.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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What do you mean by non height adjustable using eibach springs?
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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What do you mean by non height adjustable using eibach springs?
about 1 inch drop fixed, you cannot control your ride height with these. But the shock stiffness is adjustable on the ohlins. I think he said it costed around 1600, overpriced if you ask me. But he mentioned they manufacture the oem suspension for the brand new Lambo, the Aventador or something.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by luckybull
If i go back to the stock bar, it will understeer like crazy!

I loosened the rear sway bar 1 notch today and it understeered badly, and still lifted tire all over the place.

i had to run a massive amount of tire pressure to get it to rotate or not roll the front tires over. was running 41psi front and 43 rear.
car still didnt handle that great.
so i think if i remove the front bar totally, its only going to get worse!
Get your rear diff converted to a 1.5 way for power oversteer to counteract the understeer you will get once reverting back to the stock swaybar.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:41 PM
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Ahh, you're talking about the ohlin stock replacement struts. I thought you were still referencing the op's ohlin coilovers.
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by intj123
about 1 inch drop fixed, you cannot control your ride height with these. But the shock stiffness is adjustable on the ohlins. I think he said it costed around 1600, overpriced if you ask me. But he mentioned they manufacture the oem suspension for the brand new Lambo, the Aventador or something.
I think the OP has the Ohlins coilovers, not the Ohlins fixed perch struts.

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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GTWORX.com
I think the OP has the Ohlins coilovers, not the Ohlins fixed perch struts.

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Oh my bad, yea I didn't even hear about this company till my friend had it in my face. Never checked them out either.
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