Glad you guys had fun
I have already put close to 3k on these springs and about 2k of that is spirited mountian driving on curvy tight bumpy roads and a bit on some long sweeping canyons and one autocross event. Overall the springs in my opinion have not degraded the ride that much. Roll is "slightly" improved. However I feel the car a bit more balanced and poised due to the lower center of gravity.

I still experience the lack of crispness on intial turn in and the wheel needs more effort to turn (i think this is phycological though
) because of the lacklluster turn in. If I drive down a road at about 60mph and I dart the car around right to left quickly on the stock set up it would just dart to where I pointed and would "transition" nicely from right to left. Now when I do this the car feels a bit less composed and feels more unsettled when transitioning (loading and unloading from right to left.

If these springs were linear in the rear they would be perfect .

Again I am super picky and very keen on what effects my car handling to the slightest degree. For the average owner that daily drives there car and occasionaly autocrosses there car I would say get them. But for people that like the crispness of the stock setup and do a lot of competion driving or like me (fast mountain driving) I would save up for coilovers

 

So by reading the posts I am getting an impression that the next step for suspension is to go directly to a coilover, since the only thing the aftermarket springs are doing is removing some of the factory roll in front? Is this right????

 

Perhaps I am commenting on the springs too soon; I think it bears noting that I adapt slowly. After I installed the AP Racing big brakes on my '93 ZTT I was stopping short for an entire driving season. Similarily, I found that I did not drive at 10/10ths at Road America, partly--not entirely--because I might have been driving at the cars limits pre-spring install (track intimidation accounts for the other part). Perhaps I should wait for another event or 2 before I render judgement.

 

Well keep us posted, on your results. I certainly don't want to give up the crisp steering response that the factory springs have.

 

A couple of befores and afters.
Before:

 

After:

 

Before (in action):

 

After (in action). Appears to still be leaning.

 

yeah... it looks like it.. but aren't u turning a bit harder in the second picture?..

 

Yeah, I guess I'm not really comparing apples to apples. That is the same corner, however, action pic 1 is after the apex, hence, I'm beginning to unwind the wheel; pic 2 is at the turn-in point, plus, my wife's 98 lbs could be contributing to lean.

 

hey, good info...
so as a recap:
the springs seem to be good for a daily driver who may see the occasional autox.
there may be (and an emphasis on MAY BE) a slight loss of turn-in.
the springs are not linear.

 

Tak555, only the rears are progressive, the fronts are linear (or appear to be). After install, I initially I noticed a bit of "slop" in the steering, but as the car settled (we need to remember that these are SHORTER, STIFFER springs--it could take up to a week, maybe two, to settle) I noticed the turn-in crispness returning. At the track there was no discernible handling difference between before and after the spring install.

 

so basically it just lowers the car? doesn't necesarily hurt handing, but should effect the ride characteristics, as pot holes and rough rodes must be worse...

 

Yep. To offset the stiffer spring I now drive with less air pressure in the tires. I used to run with 35 psi in the fronts and 32 in the rear. I now run with the manufacturer's recommendation of 32 (f), 29 (r). The Advans have a fairly stiff sidewall, hence, I'm not concerned about tread seperation or any of that Ford Explorer bs.

 

Exactly