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CaptainSquirts Jun 8, 2019 08:39 AM

Which way to turn tie rod for toe adjustment
 
So with my driver and passenger wheels off. On the driver side, sitting looking into the wheel well, when turning the tie rod clock wise, will that toe in or toe out the driver wheel? Same thing for the passenger side sitting looking into the wheel well. Turning the tie rode clock wise, will that toe in or toe out the passenger?

So tl;dr of what I'm looking for...

Below is correct, updated after figuring it out.
Driver side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe in
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe out

Passenger side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe in
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe out

Thanks!

heel2toe Jun 8, 2019 10:28 AM

The tie rod is behind the ball joint so the longer you make it, it'll push the backside of the wheel outward which moves the frontside inward aka itll toe it in. Shortening the tie rod will have the opposite affect.

I don't recall them being LH threads so in both cases tightening them aka turning clockwise will yield tow out.

CaptainSquirts Jun 8, 2019 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by heel2toe (Post 11875463)
The tie rod is behind the ball joint so the longer you make it, it'll push the backside of the wheel outward which moves the frontside inward aka itll toe it in. Shortening the tie rod will have the opposite affect.

I don't recall them being LH threads so in both cases tightening them aka turning clockwise will yield tow out.

Ok to sum it up it's...

Driver side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe out
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe in

Passenger side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe out
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe in

Correct?

heel2toe Jun 8, 2019 10:56 AM

Yes, correct

CaptainSquirts Jun 8, 2019 11:05 AM

Thanks!

CaptainSquirts Jun 8, 2019 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by heel2toe (Post 11875463)
The tie rod is behind the ball joint so the longer you make it, it'll push the backside of the wheel outward which moves the frontside inward aka itll toe it in. Shortening the tie rod will have the opposite affect.

I don't recall them being LH threads so in both cases tightening them aka turning clockwise will yield tow out.

Hmmmm when I checked it out and tried it. I think it's the opposite. Turning it CCW made the tie rod shorten thus toe out on the drivers side. On the passenger side, turning it CW made it the tie rod longer thus toe in.

So what was said earlier which was....

Driver side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe out
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe in

Passenger side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe out
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe in

I think the correct way was actually...

Driver side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe in
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe out

Passenger side
Turning tie rod clockwise = toe in
Turning tie rod counterclockwise = toe out

MinusPrevious Jun 8, 2019 12:41 PM

Service manual answer is here:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...0a59697a51.jpg

Raptord Jun 8, 2019 12:56 PM

If all else fails... just look at the thread, and picture in your head what turning it in either direction will do to the overall tie rod length, and consequently the toe of the wheels.

longer tie rod = more toe-in
shorter tie rod = more toe-out

heel2toe Jun 8, 2019 01:29 PM

^This is the concept I was attempting to convey as opposed to memorizing if its clockwise or counterclockwise. The location of the tie rod front vs back is what dictates whether shortening or lengthening toes the wheel in or out.

MinusPrevious Jun 8, 2019 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Raptord (Post 11875473)
If all else fails... just look at the thread, and picture in your head what turning it in either direction will do to the overall tie rod length, and consequently the toe of the wheels.

longer tie rod = more toe-in
shorter tie rod = more toe-out

In my mind your notes sound right to me. But the manual seems to suggest the opposite. Confusing?

Edit: I get it now. I was visualizing turning the actual End link. The manual is noting just turning the end link rod. Im good LOL

barneyb Jun 9, 2019 10:48 AM

I'm pleased to see someone playing with toe. Once you figure out how to measure toe, being able to adjust it is so handy for when you replace a part on the front suspension or hit a pothole to check for damage or when you find the steering wheel isn't straight. Spend money on something else.


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