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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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This is a good start to explaining but also remember that the Cobb stores all the factory ECU settings when it is "married" with your car and then it can be "unmarried" to set it back to the factory state. Rob from Cobb has confirmed that this is undetectable.

You can start with Price: Z-chip - $439, AP - $695 (retail) $625 (some vendors on the forums). The Zchip has shown to provide very nice power gains with or without a MBC and when ordered it can be custom taylored to the mods you have on your car. The AP comes with Stage I and Stage II basemaps along with a fuel econ map, stock map, and valet map. The AP can store several maps, the Z-chip stores one. The Z-chip comes with free software to custom tune while the AP does not currently have software but is working on releasing a free tuning software soon. The AP can modify almost every aspect of the ECU (Fuel, timing, boost, MIVEC intake/exhaust, Etc.). The Z-chip I think just changes the fuel and ignition. The AP can read and clear CELs and can datalog from most of the factory sensors. I think this is enough stuff to get you started on making your choice.

Good info here.

We will be updating our ZChip pricing to $399 as we move into 2009 and have a solid manufacturing schedule where supply of the zchips shouldn't be as difficult to keep up with and backorders of them should be less frequent.

Here is a video of our test car with some REAL WORLD PROVEN RESULTS.

Old Jan 8, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Here is a crappy video of mine where the AP plugs in. It is very easy, and it does have recovery feature that prevent it from bricking the ECU. I love my Accessport it is a really nice device. If you have any questions about it just send me a pm. I can also send a pic of my stage 2 custom tune if you like.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMQPYFqg1Ss
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stellar24
I am no expert but I am pretty sure the AP has built in features that prevent a Bricked ECU and it is also backed up by Cobb who will be able to provide support if there was an issue. I have not heard of a case yet where this was a problem.
This is 100% correct

Both Cobb and Ecutek include ecu unbrick function which will salvage a failed reflash (dont ask me how I know)

We have had a few bricked Evo X ecu flashes but with the Cobb and Ecutek you simply hit a button and the device saves the ecu with a special recovery mode

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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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The ZChip is 100% guaranteed NOT to brick an ecu. This simple guarantee is based on the fact that the factory warrantied ECU is NOT MODIFIED from stock and is not erased from and overwritten.

The Bricking of the ECU many times comes about when the transmission of information to the ECU is interrupted, the reflashing computer crashes, locks up, slows down or goes into sleep mode. Simply bumping the OBDII connector can be enough to drop connection to the ecu in MID-WRITE and lock it up forever.

Further delays in opensource applications have been advised today as YET ANOTHER beta user has lost their ECU through a communication error and BRICKING of the ECU.
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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In support of Cobb and Ecutek solutions I will suggest the following

In a modern ecu a direct reflash / modification of the tables inside the ecu is the most accurate and effective method to effect uning adjustments. This is a fact which will not be questioned or disputed by any respected professional tuner. The use of a piggy back is a effective solution which entails inehrant compromises and sacrifices by the very nature of its functionality.

A piggy back can only intercept signals going into the ecu and thus effect the outputs comming out of the ecu by tricking the ecu. This is much more simplistic and crude than actually remapping the maps within the ecu and adjusting how the ecu reacts to a gievn input.

While both a reflash and a piggy back can both make significant whp gains, there can be no doubt that given the high degree of complexity in modern ecus, the enhanced adjustbaility of a reflash can lead to improved driveability and saftey in tuning.

In the case of Cobb and Ecutek dozens and dozens of ecu tables are avalable for direct adjustment including

MIVEC inatke and exhuast

Rev Limit

All ignition timing maps

All fuel maps

DBW maps

TPS maps

Airflow maps

Boost controll

Boost limits

MAF scaling

MAP scaling

Injector scaling and latency

There are many more tunable maps available and more being unlocked every week

Both products include world class tech support with a team of top level pro tuners to aide the dealers / tuners and both have a wide network of pro tuners wll over the US who are trained and qualified to custom tune
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Good info here.

We will be updating our ZChip pricing to $399 as we move into 2009 and have a solid manufacturing schedule where supply of the zchips shouldn't be as difficult to keep up with and backorders of them should be less frequent.

Here is a video of our test car with some REAL WORLD PROVEN RESULTS.



Why is the weight of the vehicle on the dyno input as 3780? Is your X really that heavy? I thought the weight input into the dyno directly affects the power output provided on the graph?
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The ZChip is 100% guaranteed NOT to brick an ecu. This simple guarantee is based on the fact that the factory warrantied ECU is NOT MODIFIED from stock and is not erased from and overwritten.

The Bricking of the ECU many times comes about when the transmission of information to the ECU is interrupted, the reflashing computer crashes, locks up, slows down or goes into sleep mode. Simply bumping the OBDII connector can be enough to drop connection to the ecu in MID-WRITE and lock it up forever.

Further delays in opensource applications have been advised today as YET ANOTHER beta user has lost their ECU through a communication error and BRICKING of the ECU.
Bricking of ecus can result from many other methods - including cell phone or radio interference, static, battery voltage loss etc etc

The good news is that due to the hard work of Cobb and Ecutek incorporating a recovery method to unbrick a bricked ecu there is practically zero risk of any danger or problem for the end user.

Given that the X ecu incorporates a larger ROM than previous Evos the risk of problems in reflashing has been amplified, however, after nearly a year and at least 100 Evo X's tuned here we have not had one customer ecu problem.

Its funny to note that my now obsolite Tec Tom reflasher was so slow it took forever to flash a Evo 8 but being that it was DOS based it was super reliable. Windows and reflashing ecus can be a bad mix when the windows program locks up or crashes for any reason. This is why a recovery procedure is important when using a windows based system.

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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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The ZChip for Evo X, MR and Ralliart 2009 modifies the following functions of the ECU without writing on the ECU.

MIVEC intake and exhaust

All ignition timing maps

All fuel maps

DBW maps

TPS maps

Airflow maps

Boost limits

MAP scaling


And it does is all for $399, is plug and play and does not require custom tuning at an hourly charge. It is able to be installed by the end user in 10 minutes, removed in 5 minutes, leaves no trace of changes on the ECU, does not require the removing and mailing of the ECU anywhere.

It is the only USER tunable solution in the market today for these three models.

Originally Posted by Dynoflash
Given that the X ecu incorporates a larger ROM than previous Evos the risk of problems in reflashing has been amplified, however, after nearly a year and at least 100 Evo X's tuned here we have not had one customer ecu problem.
It seems to mimic the success rate of the ZChip's over 100 units sold worldwide in a number of countries. Heck the only Evo X in Kuwait has a ZChip

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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BigT
Why is the weight of the vehicle on the dyno input as 3780? Is your X really that heavy? I thought the weight input into the dyno directly affects the power output provided on the graph?
It is the weight of the driver included and has little effect on the output of the numbers. It is mainly used for the application of the eddy brake application on sophisticated dynos such as Buschur Racing, CBRD, TTP, Vivid Racing use. It will add the proper load on the wheels and rollers so that the same load from aerodynamics and weight on the road will be applied to the car on the dyno. This is especially important when tuning a vehicle if you plan on putting it on the street or track and expecting the same results as demonstrated on the dynamometer.

BTW, your post was off-topic, however its a moderator job to deal with that.
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The ZChip for Evo X, MR and Ralliart 2009 modifies the following functions of the ECU.

MIVEC intake and exhaust

All ignition timing maps

All fuel maps

DBW maps

TPS maps

Airflow maps

Boost limits

MAP scaling


And it does is all for $399, is plug and play and does not require custom tuning at an hourly charge. It is able to be installed by the end user in 10 minutes, removed in 5 minutes, leaves no trace of changes on the ECU, does not require the removing and mailing of the ECU anywhere.

It is the only USER tunable solution in the market today for these three models.

Are these new functions or just the affect of adjusting the map signal?
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The ZChip for Evo X, MR and Ralliart 2009 modifies the following functions of the ECU without writing on the ECU.

MIVEC intake and exhaust

All ignition timing maps

All fuel maps

DBW maps

TPS maps

Airflow maps

Boost limits

MAP scaling


And it does is all for $399, is plug and play and does not require custom tuning at an hourly charge. It is able to be installed by the end user in 10 minutes, removed in 5 minutes, leaves no trace of changes on the ECU, does not require the removing and mailing of the ECU anywhere.

It is the only USER tunable solution in the market today for these three models.



It seems to mimic the success rate of the ZChip's over 100 units sold worldwide in a number of countries. Heck the only Evo X in Kuwait has a ZChip
Is there anyways to get this software without buying the zchip yet? The only reason I ask is because I would like to see how easy it actually is to tune using the zchip software ie mess with the tables. I have used the AP and it works great. Also I really don't see how you can change all of this with the manipulation of the map voltage.
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BigT
Why is the weight of the vehicle on the dyno input as 3780? Is your X really that heavy? I thought the weight input into the dyno directly affects the power output provided on the graph?
Ya thats like 200+lbs heavier than an MR. Seems high to me.
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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this is the attraction to the z chip its only 400 bucks!!.

I plann to never really get it tunned by a outside source, the only time i would is to get my MBC controller set.

so head to head, no expectations of tuning, would the plug and play on the cobb or z ship yeild better results.

i dont care the cobb clear codes and what not im only doing simple bolts on nothing to serious i just want to be at the 350whp+ range.

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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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Ya thats like 200+lbs heavier than an MR. Seems high to me.
Does your evo drive itself? Weight inputted is plus the driver.

Even if the weight being used is blotted or reduced much it will not really affect the power output much on the mustang dyno, TTP explained the reason above so I won't retype it.
Old Jan 8, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GST Motorsports
Does your evo drive itself? Weight inputted is plus the driver.

Even if the weight being used is blotted or reduced much it will not really affect the power output much on the mustang dyno, TTP explained the reason above so I won't retype it.
We are actually considering adding a little more weight to the figures. We want the Drag Racing module to be 100% nail on the head accurate. Right now it states 11.84-12.00 and 116mph. We managed 12.02 and 113.03mph at the track so the E.T. is dead nuts, but the mph may need a little more weight or aero figure added to slow it down a little.



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