Exactly, I was suggesting to use an ARP stud kit for a Honda b18C (intregra Type R) on a 4b11t (and more than likely the rest of the 4bxx variants) to replace the OEM bolts. Neither engine comes from the factory with studs, ARP makes an upgrade for the B18 tha ALSO works on the 4b11t, hope it is clearer now!!!!

 

y eso q era un secretoo?.... and it was a secret?

 

De la Rosa, let me put it this way... When we called ARP asking for stud for the EVO X, they did not know (nor anybodyelse) that had a set that would work, it was then that we measures the block and head according to their requirements that they discovered that they already had an application that worked.

 

You wont be able to get a socket in to tighten the two front studs. There is not enough clearance in the head to get a 1/2" twelve point socket in place. I have not found a socket with a thin enough wall yet. The length of the thread on the stud that engage the block is also significantly shorter than the factory bolt. The studs are also undercut. The clamp load of the stud needs to be tested compared to the clamp load of the factory bolt.

Before anybody jumps the gun, I would suggest letting some people try them out first and making sure everything works correctly.

 

Hi, hows everything?...

That would be me... the studs are ALREADY INSTALLED on my car, 400+whp on pump gas with generous amounts of boost...

note: We have tested several things in the past (took the risk) small brake kit, cold air, and a few other with good results.

 

Things are good.. very busy at the shop. Our 4B11T engine program is in full swing.

There is no question the studs can be installed. What we dont know is if the clamping force is more or less than factory head bolts. Just because its and ARP stud does not mean it automatically has more holding strength than the factory bolt. We also do not know what having less thread engaged in the block will do.

I am suggesting that people use caution and test things properly prior to making the jump.

We have been making nearly 500 whp on our X with factory head bolts and no issues.

 

ARP has bolts examples from our engine, they did the calculations and measured the required thread, and please remember that the OEM bolts need to be replaced when the engine is re-assembled, that in itself means that they do stretch significantly when they are torqued, being able to do something with and OEM part does not mean that the part is adequate, having an extra safety margin is always better.

Fifa made more than 500whp on their EVO X (10.77et @ 125mph) with the engine 100% stock, BUT if the ever re-assemble the engine do you think it would be wise to use everything OEM? I do not think so...

 

I hope no one else misunderstood and used oe b18c honda studs on their evo.

 

i dont think so , my english f&8cked me up again

 

"Fifa made more than 500whp on their EVO X (10.77et @ 125mph) with the engine 100% stock, BUT if the ever re-assemble the engine do you think it would be wise to use everything OEM? I do not think so..."

thats awesome! any videos?

 

Johnny ...

when you guys are ready ..we just finished our 2.35 liter for the x .. fully closed deck block.

also have a complete stand alone for the car.. We are building one that will be out jan / feb .

mark
turbotrix

ill post up pics along the way, any questions let me know

 

2.35L sounds amazingly delicious and I may need to hear some more of this. =D So excited to start tearing into this engine!

 

what kind of stud did you guys use to rebuild the 4b11?

does the b18c head stud work on 4b11? can anyone verify it?

thanks

kirk

 

you are acting like they didn't work with arp, which they did

i bolded your obvious condescending statement...i think the guys in pr know that

they did test them...obviously dude

 

Keith,

I'm wondering, mhm that 2.35 X that coming out in jan/feb sounds very familiar.
I'm already guessing that it my evo lol.. btw you guys are slacking on giving me updates. caused one I missed my car and two, I'm dying to know

steve