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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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I really like ultimate racing one the best... cheap and good quality. Is it loud with o2 housing downpipe, hi-flo cat, & cat-back..
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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My only comment on the UR one...can't they make it a little prettier? I know you don't see it, but gosh, every other one at least looks respectable...
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by I <3 Spool
My only comment on the UR one...can't they make it a little prettier? I know you don't see it, but gosh, every other one at least looks respectable...
I'll be honest I bought the Ultimate Racing DP because it was one of the only ones available at the time, but it is one of the BEST looking ones in my opinion. The welds are nice, the butt welds all lined up properly when they welded them, and the fitment is perfect. No rattles, no engine light, no headache.

Sure is isn't polished like a nice set of platinum grillllzzz but once it got some heat it turned a real nice bronze color for all you guys that are trying to impress the roadkill that will be checking out your sweet *** looking downpipe as you drive over.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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Sure is isn't polished like a nice set of platinum grillllzzz but once it got some heat it turned a real nice bronze color for all you guys that are trying to impress the roadkill that will be checking out your sweet *** looking downpipe as you drive over.
Dude, I gotta get laid some how, the $12k ring I got for my Fiancee doesn't work anymore...a bj from a dead rabid raccoon would be ideal!
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:25 PM
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I love my xtremeboost!
Yeah I'm pretty happy with mine too.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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And at of all these downpipes which one has given the best performance
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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It's just too bad they never reply to PMs or inquiries on buying the damn thing.

And yes, I've been trying to contact them for about a week without an answer now.

My vote is ETS or wait for AMS.


I would like to extend our apologies but we have been dealing with many shop related issues over the last 2 weeks and we have not been able to put in as much time as we've needed to to get back to everyone in a timely manner . Please check your PM's .




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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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Dude, I gotta get laid some how, the $12k ring I got for my Fiancee doesn't work anymore...a bj from a dead rabid raccoon would be ideal!
It doesn't get any better....trust me!!!!!
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 09:53 PM
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I believe the open dump gives the most power, then comes the split wastegate and exhaust design, and then the combined design, lastly downpipes with no O2 replacement would make the least power.

Originally Posted by Lancerboy6
And at of all these downpipes which one has given the best performance
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 02:25 AM
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how about the cobb or agency power?
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 04:46 AM
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I believe the open dump gives the most power, then comes the split wastegate and exhaust design, and then the combined design, lastly downpipes with no O2 replacement would make the least power.
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LVSBB6
I believe the open dump gives the most power, then comes the split wastegate and exhaust design, and then the combined design, lastly downpipes with no O2 replacement would make the least power.
I won’t consider open dump, just my small personal contribution to cleaner air.

The ETS pipe has a sharp bend, right after it leaves the turbo flange, and then another shallower one with a wider radius.

In that regard the XS looks better because it exits straight from the flange with just one, smooth bend.

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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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I can`t stand the noise from open dump either for daily, but some ppl wouldn`t mind that for the extra power.

I like the fact the design of ETS which has a long wastegaste pipe that extends longer than others for recirulation, less interuption of air flow right after the turbo.

I have yet seen the XS recirculated version in pictures.


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I won’t consider open dump, just my small personal contribution to cleaner air.

The ETS pipe has a sharp bend, right after it leaves the turbo flange, and then another shallower one with a wider radius.

In that regard the XS looks better because it exits straight from the flange with just one, smooth bend.
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LVSBB6
I have yet seen the XS recirculated version in pictures.
click on the thumbnail for another pic (courtesy of evoxforums)

Just to make sure, this is the Specialty X (SX), I made a mistake by typing XS earlier.
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Old Feb 5, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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Here is a good article from Cobb's website regarding exhaust design. I've quoted their section on O2 housing which shows the pros and cons of each design.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/info/?ID=3222

Some of the turbo outlet designs include: flanges with a simple pipe, bell mouths, divorced wastegate, and split bell mouths You also have castings and formed piping to choose from. Which one works best is also determined by quite a few different factors and how well they are designed and manufactured.

Flange w/Simple Pipe - The only advantages to this design are cost and simplicity. The pipe does not have to be formed and the flange is simple therefore reducing cost. The labor to weld the pipe to the flange is easy and therefore less costly as well. That is the main factor that make it desirable to the factory and why it is used on the stock exhaust. The wastegate gasses joining the turbo gasses right at the turbo outlet does create turbulence in the worst spot post turbo and reduces flow, thus not making it as desirable for performance as other designs.

BellMouth - This method is much closer to optimal for joining the gasses from the outlets. There is more room for them to join and if the transition is done properly it can flow very well into the main piping. It packages very well and does not have a lot of complexity, making for less to break. We have gotten the best results from this type of downpipe so far. Boost response has been the best out of the outlet designs we have tuned on, it is easy to put a wideband oxygen sensor bung into. We have also had the fewest problems with this design.

Split Bell Mouth - This design separates the gasses in the beginning of the turbo outlet and joins them at the rear of the bell mouth section. It works well and has some of the advantages of the bell mouth and some of the advantages of the divorced wastegate designs. The main deterrent for this is the cost and complexity of adding the splitter. I am a fan of keeping things as simple as possible while still making the product work well.

Divorced Wastegate - Keeping the gasses from the turbo outlet and wastegate separate until farther back in the system is an attempt to combine the advantages of not collecting the gasses and the real world. Combining them far back is closer to optimal than collecting them closer to the outlets. It is also critical to power production and spool-up to join the pipes smoothly and avoid turbulence. The disadvantages are that you add a lot of cost and complexity. You have big temperature differences on each pipe and that makes for a system that can crack. Putting in flex or expansion joints helps, but adds even further complexity and yet another part to fail. With all of the exhaust systems we have tuned with on the dyno we have seen that it is generally harder to bring boost on as quickly with these types of systems as compared to the bell mouth type systems. Perhaps it helps the wastegate function too well. Also, we have had a few situations where the splitter caused problems allowing the wastegate to function properly by not allowing it to open to its full extent, or even open at all. That caused either boost spiking, or no control over boost what so ever. Since the wastegate could not function the turbo ran as if it did even not have one, and the poor turbo just ran whatever boost it could make uncontrolled. The fix was not hard, but the least amount of stuff to go wrong the better. I know that I would not be happy having to pay for someone to install the exhaust only to have another place diagnose the problem, remove the exhaust, repair the part, and re-install the exhaust.

Cast Outlets - Castings have the advantage of keeping a lot of heat in the exhaust as well as freedom with design. You can basically make it almost any shape you want. The disadvantages are more weight and cost. Cast iron pieces can weigh a ton and that is a valid concern for many people. The casting form that the piece is made in is also very expensive and depending on complexity can range from a couple of thousand dollars to well up in the tens of thousands.

Formed Piping -Forming pipe has almost as much design freedom as a casting with less expense and less weight. The only disadvantage lies in if it is not done properly. Poor forming can look bad and effect flow by having creases and crimped spots. You can also get the piping too thin if you try to stretch the metal too far. If done improperly you can also make the metal brittle and it will usually happen where the metal is the thinnest.
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