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bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 01:58 PM

AMS Twin Tip Review
 
Well after spending countless months researching different exhausts, i finally settled on the AMS Twin Tip. I ordered their catback and testpipe to accompany my AMS Short ram intake that was already on the car. All Three products have been top notch quality. I received the exhaust in a couple days and everything was packaged very securely and wrapped carefully. They forgot to send out the silencer plates with the exhaust but i notified them of it and they immediately had them shipped out to me. +1 for customer service.

Sound
Since i still havent gotten around to installing any of the plates this exhaust is very loud. I actually like the tone of the exhaust but with most of the exhaust traveling out the unmuffled tip, it screams. It crackles rather nicely on downshifts and i can hear some backfires as well. I have not yet tried any of the silencer plates but im sure that this will be a good alternative for people who want a milder exhaust note.

Performance
The butt dyno seems to think that i picked up a decent amount of power with the combination of the catback and test pipe. I feel just as much if not more of an increase than i did with the intake, so i would assume ive picked up 20-30hp. I cant wait to get tuned and see what numbers i can put down with the stock cat and exhaust restrictions removed.

Quality
The welds on both exhaust and test pipe were beautiful and it appeared to be made of high quality materials. Perfect fitment and no rattles/rubbing anywhere. I tried to install myself but couldnt get the catbolts off so i ended up bringing it up to a friends shop and having him throw it on his lift to do it for me. He actually commented on the fitment of the exhaust and said how well designed it was. My favorite thing is the versatility of this system. While i enjoy the sound, i know i can always quiet things down if i desire.

Some Pics....
http://i40.tinypic.com/5zkzuh.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/aut4m0.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/35k7ptk.jpg

and the video. Sound seems slightly off to me. Can never truly capture the sound well through a pos camera. The camera's memory filled up right as i started to get on it.
View My Video

This video is actually on a camera phone but is a much truer representation of the sound imo. This is a more accurate recording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIPxu...e=channel_page

ScottSpeed21 Jun 16, 2009 02:12 PM

{thumbup} to the Sabres license plate and frame....where do you live?

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by ScottSpeed21 (Post 7178604)
{thumbup} to the Sabres license plate and frame....where do you live?

albany ny. I love the sabres! My whole family is from batavia.

pcasupreme Jun 16, 2009 02:18 PM

sick, too bad im not baller enough to afford one haha.

empirepb210 Jun 16, 2009 02:24 PM

get tuned at DG motors

DepoRacing Jun 16, 2009 02:35 PM

I hate that exhaust, not that it looks bad at all. To gimicky, different plates:crap: I like to see balance

Bob Evolved Jun 16, 2009 02:36 PM

hows the car running / idling without the tune? Im getting ready to pull the trigger on the AMS intake / test pipe / twin tip myself , just a little concerned about running around un-tuned

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by empirepb210 (Post 7178663)
get tuned at DG motors

Im really considering it. Still looking at CBRD as well. I have full confidence that either place will be great.

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Bob Evolved (Post 7178720)
hows the car running / idling without the tune? Im getting ready to pull the trigger on the AMS intake / test pipe / twin tip myself , just a little concerned about running around un-tuned

No issues for me. Great combo imo cant wait to get tuned though.

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by strocse (Post 7178712)
I hate that exhaust, not that it looks bad at all. To gimicky, different plates:crap: I like to see balance

While the plates are a funny idea. The option to change sound is nice, knowing that you can quiet it if need be. There is confidence is knowing your not gonna be stuck with an exhaust that is annoying and loud, you can change it to suit your taste.

DendroEVO Jun 16, 2009 02:39 PM

After going a week with no silencer plate, I installed the one that still allowed the most flow to the passenger side tip. No noticeable power loss, and it definitely quieted the exhaust down a bit. I actually think it sounds better with the plate installed.

gizmotoy Jun 16, 2009 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by bwagner31 (Post 7178733)
While the plates are a funny idea. The option to change sound is nice, knowing that you can quiet it if need be. There is confidence is knowing your not gonna be stuck with an exhaust that is annoying and loud, you can change it to suit your taste.

The best option is that you can pull off the muffler section to run straight-through and shed some weight for track days, all by flipping off a little v-clamp that takes 60 seconds.

LRM1981 Jun 16, 2009 06:37 PM

wow, that thing is loud as hell! I hope the the plates quite things up a lot, if not, I guess I'll scratch this exhaust off my list.

Silver06evo9mr Jun 16, 2009 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by bwagner31 (Post 7178725)
Im really considering it. Still looking at CBRD as well. I have full confidence that either place will be great.

well chad at CBRD and charlie at DG, tune the same so it doesnt really matter who you get tuned by.

EndlessRed Jun 16, 2009 06:44 PM

i hope it's just your recorder, because it sounds like :crap:

Silver06evo9mr Jun 16, 2009 06:45 PM

is it just me or is there a dent on the muffler

tipoytm Jun 16, 2009 06:50 PM

I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of the idle exhaust sound...

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by LRM1981 (Post 7179629)
wow, that thing is loud as hell! I hope the the plates quite things up a lot, if not, I guess I'll scratch this exhaust off my list.

i also think i may have a small exhaust leak because i currently have no plate installed at the vband joint. and right now its bascially unmuffled, i think with a plate and some of the exhaust travelling through the muffler it will both quiet it down and mellow the tone down.


Originally Posted by endGameXIII (Post 7179658)
i hope it's just your recorder, because it sounds like :crap:

i think it definitely sounds better in person but as i said earlier this is with no plate what so ever. traveling through the muffler will probably change the tone down and make it not as raspy. IMO, it sounds much better not through my sisters pos camera. I am probably going to try out some of the plates and see how i like it. I have heard several people say they like the tone better with a plate in it. (minimal performance loss according to edmunds too {thumbup})

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Silver06evo9mr (Post 7179666)
is it just me or is there a dent on the muffler

there is a small indentation. I believe it happened during install. It really is barely noticeable but the way the light it the exhaust, it really made it stick out.

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 08:53 PM

This video is actually on a camera phone but is a much truer representation of the sound imo. This is a more accurate recording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIPxu...e=channel_page

SmoothTT07 Jun 16, 2009 09:22 PM

Cant see the youtube one and the other one makes it sound bad. Im sure it doesnt though

ao47 Jun 16, 2009 09:25 PM

sounds good, wish I waited.

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by ao47 (Post 7180310)
sounds good, wish I waited.

it really does. Some people are saying they don't like it after listening to the first video, but it doesnt do it justice. I would recommend it. This is one of the several sounds/tones that can be achieved with this exhaust just by changing the plates.

My97GST Jun 16, 2009 09:32 PM

Looks/sounds pretty good.

flyguycfi Jun 16, 2009 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by bwagner31 (Post 7180181)
This video is actually on a camera phone but is a much truer representation of the sound imo. This is a more accurate recording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIPxu...e=channel_page

Could you post another with it 50/50 and 100% muffler?

Thanks for the video review! There are barely any online to watch! I can't wait to get this exhaust.{thumbup}

gizmotoy Jun 16, 2009 09:59 PM

I haven't tried the fully-open passenger side case, but I can confirm the exhaust sounds nothing like that first video with the small diameter plate installed. It's just a bit louder than stock with a nice idle rumble and a great rev'd-up roar that's not raspy or harsh.

I think I have a bit of an install problem on mine somewhere since I'm getting a weird high-frequency noise (I have a post on the AMS forum asking for help), so I'm going to assume it's not normal for now. Assuming that, if you ignore the weird chirping from this video I made it seems to get the sound down a little better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukEa9I0vBEo

Edit: I just realized bwagner is using a test pipe, and mine's bolted to the stock cat, so that will change things pretty significantly.

bwagner31 Jun 16, 2009 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by flyguycfi (Post 7180401)
Could you post another with it 50/50 and 100% muffler?

Thanks for the video review! There are barely any online to watch! I can't wait to get this exhaust.{thumbup}

i can try to get some videos of the different plates when i put them in.

gizmotoy Jun 16, 2009 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by bwagner31 (Post 7180472)
i can try to get some videos of the different plates when i put them in.

I'd be curious if you hear the same high-frequency noise mine makes with the smallest diameter plate installed.

flyguycfi Jun 17, 2009 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by bwagner31 (Post 7180472)
i can try to get some videos of the different plates when i put them in.

Thanks! Oh and great exhaust! I'm going to order one very soon.{thumbup}

flyguycfi Jun 18, 2009 08:18 PM

Bump for new videos!:D

bwagner31 Jun 18, 2009 11:25 PM

i still wanna throw in a disc and try that out. im getting an o2 dump. wanna have the exhaust sound mellow cruising around and then scream when the wastegate opens.

Chriso3030 Jul 3, 2009 01:39 PM

looks nice!!

heavyD Jul 3, 2009 03:30 PM

Love the exhaust, hate the tips. Stealth or not oval tips are.:thumbdown I'll be in the market soon and this would be at the top of my list if it wasn't for the tips.

Chanz X Aug 3, 2009 08:30 PM

I just got my twin tip put on last week. Love it! run it wide open. The guys over at AMS do a great job. The sound is great. It is great living so close to AMS. Thanks Dan

migs647 Aug 8, 2009 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by heavyD (Post 7242210)
Love the exhaust, hate the tips. Stealth or not oval tips are.:thumbdown I'll be in the market soon and this would be at the top of my list if it wasn't for the tips.

+1, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go with HKS

navidf Aug 8, 2009 11:24 PM

I replaced my T1R twin tip on my MR with this exhaust the other day. The T1R was too quite, almost stock. I don't like the engine tone, so wanted something with a bit more growl. The AMS exhaust was the ticket. Wide open, the noise is a little too much inside the cabin, but with the plate with the largest hole, the exhaust tone is now perfect. I wanted something I could adjust and not be stuck with another exhaust I did not like. The T1R tips also were a bit too recessed for me.
However, my passenger side exhaust tip sits lower than the driver's side and sticks out just a tad more as well. Anyone else with this?

Chanz X Aug 9, 2009 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by navidf (Post 7374051)
I replaced my T1R twin tip on my MR with this exhaust the other day. The T1R was too quite, almost stock. I don't like the engine tone, so wanted something with a bit more growl. The AMS exhaust was the ticket. Wide open, the noise is a little too much inside the cabin, but with the plate with the largest hole, the exhaust tone is now perfect. I wanted something I could adjust and not be stuck with another exhaust I did not like. The T1R tips also were a bit too recessed for me.
However, my passenger side exhaust tip sits lower than the driver's side and sticks out just a tad more as well. Anyone else with this?

I had that same issue. Took it back to AMS the next day and they took care of me right away. There was an issue with the tip being a tad longer. They took it off and trimmed it down. All fixed looks and sounds great.

chapscalyx Aug 9, 2009 09:55 AM

i installed this 2 weeks ago and also got tuned, i notice backfire or popping sound when decelerating around 2000 rpm or less. is this normal?

bwagner31 Aug 9, 2009 09:59 AM

i get the popping on decel too. sounds great. Right now im running the pass tip fully closed off, not too loud but has a nice tone. when my wastegate dump opens it screams.

another vid coming soon possibly

gizmotoy Aug 9, 2009 01:37 PM

Mine pops quite a bit, and appears to be at least partially dependant on what plate you have installed. I'm temporarily running wide open on the passenger side, and the amount of popping has increased dramatically over even the plate with the largest diameter.

I have a couple videos up if anyone's interested. Not of the popping, but the sound of the general idle and low RPM revs:

Passenger side wide open
Largest diameter plate

gizmotoy Aug 9, 2009 01:43 PM

One other thing to note. If you're not running wide open on the passenger side, do NOT allow your tuner to use an exhaust tip wideband on the passenger side. It really hoses the readings at low RPM, and you'll freak out thinking you've been running in the 14s. This is from experience ;)

chapscalyx Aug 9, 2009 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by gizmotoy (Post 7375189)
One other thing to note. If you're not running wide open on the passenger side, do NOT allow your tuner to use an exhaust tip wideband on the passenger side. It really hoses the readings at low RPM, and you'll freak out thinking you've been running in the 14s. This is from experience ;)

absolutely agree with you.

heavyD Aug 9, 2009 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by gizmotoy (Post 7375169)
Mine pops quite a bit, and appears to be at least partially dependant on what plate you have installed. I'm temporarily running wide open on the passenger side, and the amount of popping has increased dramatically over even the plate with the largest diameter.

I have a couple videos up if anyone's interested. Not of the popping, but the sound of the general idle and low RPM revs:

Passenger side wide open
Largest diameter plate

One thing I noticed in your videos was how awkward the passenger tip looks with the V-band clamp behind it.

gizmotoy Aug 10, 2009 04:26 AM

It could be because I washed the clamp when I was messing with it and everything else was filthy. In any case, you're not often looking at the car from below ground level, so under normal conditions you can't really see it.

GTR THI5 Aug 18, 2009 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by navidf (Post 7374051)
I replaced my T1R twin tip on my MR with this exhaust the other day. The T1R was too quite, almost stock. I don't like the engine tone, so wanted something with a bit more growl. The AMS exhaust was the ticket. Wide open, the noise is a little too much inside the cabin, but with the plate with the largest hole, the exhaust tone is now perfect. I wanted something I could adjust and not be stuck with another exhaust I did not like. The T1R tips also were a bit too recessed for me.
However, my passenger side exhaust tip sits lower than the driver's side and sticks out just a tad more as well. Anyone else with this?


You can fix that very easily... Just loosen the t-bolt clamp that attached the muffler side to the right side. You can adjust the height up and down quite easily. As soon as you have it in the desirable position just retighten the t-bolt clamp and it will stay.

(NOTE: it tends to move while tightening so be sure to hold the left tip tightly in place while retightening the bolt)

GTR THI5 Aug 18, 2009 02:29 PM

I like this exhaust a whole lot, great gains, sound, looks, quality and fitment. I had the same setup running WITH the cat and it sounded fantastic! I just bolted up a test pipe last night and it got to a point where I was embarrased to drive down the street because of how loud it was! It is essentially a straight pipe now on the right side.

I took it for one drive (on city streets & highway) and decided to put in the largest diameter disc. It sounds like the cat is back on. I can NOT feel any noticeable power loss, but the disc is visible in there and looks kind of odd. I'm sure once the tar from the exhaust covers it it won't be so noticeable.

UPDATE: I can't see the disc in there anymore... It just took about 2 days worth of driving for it to be engulfed in black.

navidf Aug 18, 2009 10:53 PM

Done: much better. The passenger tip still extends slightly longer than the driver's side, but now that they are both level, it is barely noticeable.



Originally Posted by GTR THI5 (Post 7409799)
You can fix that very easily... Just loosen the t-bolt clamp that attached the muffler side to the right side. You can adjust the height up and down quite easily. As soon as you have it in the desirable position just retighten the t-bolt clamp and it will stay.

(NOTE: it tends to move while tightening so be sure to hold the left tip tightly in place while retightening the bolt)



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