Evo X First Impressions
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Were happy for ya.
Help test and design the Goodyear tires on the class winning GT1 Corvettes from Pratt and Miller in the early 2000s, then we will discuss who does and doest know racing.
Personally, I think the fact you bought a X instead of an VIII or IX to turn into a race car shows your lack of knowledge.
Just my opinion, again I wish you luck with your new purchase.
Help test and design the Goodyear tires on the class winning GT1 Corvettes from Pratt and Miller in the early 2000s, then we will discuss who does and doest know racing.
Personally, I think the fact you bought a X instead of an VIII or IX to turn into a race car shows your lack of knowledge.
Just my opinion, again I wish you luck with your new purchase.
Good for you on your single link to pro racing with Compuware. I've done work for them as well along with 20 other professional teams in various series including turning the wheel in anger, not on a closed track.
There's a lot of reasons for the decision to go with the X, a car that is current production and still available for homologation, over an 8 or 9. Again your lack of knowledge. Show me the one PROFESSIONAL road racing series the 8 or 9 are eligible for? The X will be a different story. Wait and see.
Good for you on your single link to pro racing with Compuware. I've done work for them as well along with 20 other professional teams in various series including turning the wheel in anger, not on a closed track.
Good for you on your single link to pro racing with Compuware. I've done work for them as well along with 20 other professional teams in various series including turning the wheel in anger, not on a closed track.
What professional road racing series are you shooting for? I wonder if your competitors will listen to your complaining about your new cars interior...
I will wait and see. Ill be waiting to see if your car turns a single lap in a recognized professional series. Prove me wrong.
Pro racing link with Compuware? Try as an engineer with Goodyears racing division. 20 other professional teams? Again, we are happy for ya.
Ill be waiting to see how this "homologated" race car for a "PROFESSIONAL" racing series turns out...
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So in the SCCA did Realtime racing have to retire their RSXs when they were discontinued? Oh no, they didnt. Believe it or not, if you want to have a competitive race car in a reasonable time, buying a model that was introduced two months ago is usually not the way to go, its better to have the previous version that has had years of development behind it from aftermarket companies.
What professional road racing series are you shooting for? I wonder if your competitors will listen to your complaining about your new cars interior...
I will wait and see. Ill be waiting to see if your car turns a single lap in a recognized professional series. Prove me wrong.
Pro racing link with Compuware? Try as an engineer with Goodyears racing division. 20 other professional teams? Again, we are happy for ya.
Ill be waiting to see how this "homologated" race car for a "PROFESSIONAL" racing series turns out...
What professional road racing series are you shooting for? I wonder if your competitors will listen to your complaining about your new cars interior...
I will wait and see. Ill be waiting to see if your car turns a single lap in a recognized professional series. Prove me wrong.
Pro racing link with Compuware? Try as an engineer with Goodyears racing division. 20 other professional teams? Again, we are happy for ya.
Ill be waiting to see how this "homologated" race car for a "PROFESSIONAL" racing series turns out...
You said "GT1 Corvettes from Pratt and Miller in the early 2000s" those were Compuware C5R's. Story change. I'm sure Ron F. appreciates your hard work. If you post your name I'll tell him you said Hi.
Pete C (RealTime) in SCCA continues to RENT rides in older cars that aren't eligible for full seasons. Sometimes SCCA will grandfather cars in to keep the fields full. Did you see the 17 TC field for Seabring last week? Pete doesn't start out with cars out of production. 8's are not eligible for homologation in any series. 9's could be homologated for SCCA and are categorized GT (guess who got them categorized) w/no paperwork filed but what fool would start out with a program on a car already approaching limited status? Do you know what it costs to get a car homologated? So again we're back to name the one PROFESSIONAL road racing series the 8 or 9 are eligible for. You have to go back to the Talons in the mid 90's for a GT Mitsu product and those weren't GT which at the time was Group A, they were Group B.. I know them well, Neil H, Paul A, ***** L, I ran against them. The X is a better platform from an engineering standpoint. The shorter stroke will rev faster and higher while providing a flatter curve. Proof of this? Out of the box, the 0-60 on the 9 and X are essentially the same even though the X is heavier wih sound deadening and extra air bags. In the 9 it all comes at the end, hence the comments of no kick in the kidneys in the X. By next year 500WHP will be there. They're at 350 without a tune. Once they get a tune they can start on the real mods.
Then there's the suspension. You can't move pick up points ***** nilly and the 9 flat out rides too high to ever be effective in corners against a race prepared Corvette or GT3 911. All of the sanctioning bodies look for parity in each segment of the track (top end, cornering speed and braking). You're required to carry a series provided GPS based data acquisition box to ensure parity in each area. They don't allow you to be 20mph faster on the straights because your 2 seconds slower in a three turn complex. None of the sanctioning bodies would allow the pick up point moves necessary to get the 9 down low enough without destroying the geometry with pre-load. Even if they did now your talking BIG money to re-design the whole geometry.
For an engineer you aren't taking a very scientific look at this.
Why don't you call up Works and call them idiots for petitioning the Lancer GTS for TC. We're doing it smart and using a year for development.
For the last time, my comment on the interior was about Mitsu's marketing. I don't care about the interior becuase we're going to rip it out. The fact remains that interior isn't going to gain them broader market share by cutting into those who would have bought a low end Audi or a Lexus and that's who they are targeting with the quieter ride and gadgets. If everybody is making the same comment maybe there's something to it. No?
We aren't ready to announce.
Last edited by MonacoGP; Mar 23, 2008 at 01:41 AM.
Picked up an Evo X today. (graphite grey pearl / sight sound / aero / aluminum shifter and brake) I made a nice deal and was out the door for 36K (taxes / destination / prep / registration.... all in)
Overall a nice car. It performs well and speed is deceptive because it's well balanced for a street car. I was pleasantly surprised by the spirited turn in. I wonder if the factory settings are neutral or even toe in on the front. I couldn't resist putting my foot in it one time on the the 45 minute ride home. Very stable all the way to 160. Acceleration was solid and linear but not awe inspiring. Brakes seem good but won't have a definative answer until I can get some heat in them.
Interior, while much better than any previous Evo, is still cheap for a 39K sticker but that's not why you buy this car anyway in particular me but with Mitsu pricing this car in a much higer market the interior is going to hold it back. The sun visors in particular are simply pathetic cheap and the rear seats are some kind of crap foam that's just wrong. I don't think the GSR's are selling all that well because of it. You can get an A4 for nearly the same price. I suspect the SST will garner a lot of attention though.
The only other item I don't like is engine related. I've never seen an engine stay revved up after a throttle blip like this one. A performance engine should blip up and down. It's as though there is a 75# fly wheel in there. I presume this is due to the rich AFM and that will go away once the car is built.
Speaking of building, the huge upside is the large international tuner community that is like having a $200 million development program at someone else's expense. You don't have that with an A4 or others. That's why I chose this platform for my next race car.
Some words on what others have complained about. With the aero package I shouldn't see the stone chips but as I alluded to above, car is headed to become a full bore race car come fall, 10pt cage, tubbed and all so stone chips, just like the cheap interior which will be removed, don't bother me in light of the bigger picture.
I didn't smell any clutch other than the oil being driven out of a newly manufactured part. I made a few slipping starts on steep hills no problems at all though I didn't "launch" it because to me that's just stupid wear that you need to throw a $100 bill in the glove box each time you do it to pay for the impending detonation no matter who the manufacturer is.
The syncros are tight but respond much better when you are driving harder. The transmission is more substantial than in the past and closer to a race box less the straight cut gears. As it should, be the syncros are going to take more abuse to prevent damage to the gears. Syncros easy to fix, gears are hard. What I think most guys are running into is while the throw is loose like a VW the gates are precise like a Ferrari, though nothing approaches the gates on a Ferrari. Once they get used to it, their perceived "problem" will likely go away. Maybe a short shift kit is in order for more reasons than just the increased speed.
Overall I'm a subdued happy with the car. Take that in the context that this car was bought to perform a task not as my dream car. I'm convinced the platform has a lot of potential. It looks as though 500whp will be available in short order due to the shorter stroke and subsequent higher revs but the block will likely have a lower ultimate maximum than its older Fe counterpart.
Overall a nice car. It performs well and speed is deceptive because it's well balanced for a street car. I was pleasantly surprised by the spirited turn in. I wonder if the factory settings are neutral or even toe in on the front. I couldn't resist putting my foot in it one time on the the 45 minute ride home. Very stable all the way to 160. Acceleration was solid and linear but not awe inspiring. Brakes seem good but won't have a definative answer until I can get some heat in them.
Interior, while much better than any previous Evo, is still cheap for a 39K sticker but that's not why you buy this car anyway in particular me but with Mitsu pricing this car in a much higer market the interior is going to hold it back. The sun visors in particular are simply pathetic cheap and the rear seats are some kind of crap foam that's just wrong. I don't think the GSR's are selling all that well because of it. You can get an A4 for nearly the same price. I suspect the SST will garner a lot of attention though.
The only other item I don't like is engine related. I've never seen an engine stay revved up after a throttle blip like this one. A performance engine should blip up and down. It's as though there is a 75# fly wheel in there. I presume this is due to the rich AFM and that will go away once the car is built.
Speaking of building, the huge upside is the large international tuner community that is like having a $200 million development program at someone else's expense. You don't have that with an A4 or others. That's why I chose this platform for my next race car.
Some words on what others have complained about. With the aero package I shouldn't see the stone chips but as I alluded to above, car is headed to become a full bore race car come fall, 10pt cage, tubbed and all so stone chips, just like the cheap interior which will be removed, don't bother me in light of the bigger picture.
I didn't smell any clutch other than the oil being driven out of a newly manufactured part. I made a few slipping starts on steep hills no problems at all though I didn't "launch" it because to me that's just stupid wear that you need to throw a $100 bill in the glove box each time you do it to pay for the impending detonation no matter who the manufacturer is.
The syncros are tight but respond much better when you are driving harder. The transmission is more substantial than in the past and closer to a race box less the straight cut gears. As it should, be the syncros are going to take more abuse to prevent damage to the gears. Syncros easy to fix, gears are hard. What I think most guys are running into is while the throw is loose like a VW the gates are precise like a Ferrari, though nothing approaches the gates on a Ferrari. Once they get used to it, their perceived "problem" will likely go away. Maybe a short shift kit is in order for more reasons than just the increased speed.
Overall I'm a subdued happy with the car. Take that in the context that this car was bought to perform a task not as my dream car. I'm convinced the platform has a lot of potential. It looks as though 500whp will be available in short order due to the shorter stroke and subsequent higher revs but the block will likely have a lower ultimate maximum than its older Fe counterpart.
wow you guys are either all haters or just like to fight, the guy obviously knows his ****, so he decided to test out his new investment in stock form, whats wrong with that? I forgot you must own an evo and never have tested it out, never even went above the speed limit because that would be wrong , honestly i cant wait to see what he does with the car, hopefully he will keep us updated, also no dis respect to anyone but c'mon guys chill out
, honestly i cant wait to see what he does with the car, hopefully he will keep us updated, also no dis respect to anyone but c'mon guys chill out
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Welcome, Mr. Monacogp
I see that you bring the same fine competive spirit to posting as to racing!
Please keep us posted on your developments and how the platform responds.
It should make quite interesting reading.
As for racing community bureaucracy -- no comment.
mike
Please keep us posted on your developments and how the platform responds.
It should make quite interesting reading.
As for racing community bureaucracy -- no comment.
mike
Picked up an Evo X today. (graphite grey pearl / sight sound / aero / aluminum shifter and brake) I made a nice deal and was out the door for 36K (taxes / destination / prep / registration.... all in)
Overall a nice car. It performs well and speed is deceptive because it's well balanced for a street car. I was pleasantly surprised by the spirited turn in. I wonder if the factory settings are neutral or even toe in on the front. I couldn't resist putting my foot in it one time on the the 45 minute ride home. Very stable all the way to 160. Acceleration was solid and linear but not awe inspiring. Brakes seem good but won't have a definative answer until I can get some heat in them.
Interior, while much better than any previous Evo, is still cheap for a 39K sticker but that's not why you buy this car anyway in particular me but with Mitsu pricing this car in a much higer market the interior is going to hold it back. The sun visors in particular are simply pathetic cheap and the rear seats are some kind of crap foam that's just wrong. I don't think the GSR's are selling all that well because of it. You can get an A4 for nearly the same price. I suspect the SST will garner a lot of attention though.
The only other item I don't like is engine related. I've never seen an engine stay revved up after a throttle blip like this one. A performance engine should blip up and down. It's as though there is a 75# fly wheel in there. I presume this is due to the rich AFM and that will go away once the car is built.
Speaking of building, the huge upside is the large international tuner community that is like having a $200 million development program at someone else's expense. You don't have that with an A4 or others. That's why I chose this platform for my next race car.
Some words on what others have complained about. With the aero package I shouldn't see the stone chips but as I alluded to above, car is headed to become a full bore race car come fall, 10pt cage, tubbed and all so stone chips, just like the cheap interior which will be removed, don't bother me in light of the bigger picture.
I didn't smell any clutch other than the oil being driven out of a newly manufactured part. I made a few slipping starts on steep hills no problems at all though I didn't "launch" it because to me that's just stupid wear that you need to throw a $100 bill in the glove box each time you do it to pay for the impending detonation no matter who the manufacturer is.
The syncros are tight but respond much better when you are driving harder. The transmission is more substantial than in the past and closer to a race box less the straight cut gears. As it should, be the syncros are going to take more abuse to prevent damage to the gears. Syncros easy to fix, gears are hard. What I think most guys are running into is while the throw is loose like a VW the gates are precise like a Ferrari, though nothing approaches the gates on a Ferrari. Once they get used to it, their perceived "problem" will likely go away. Maybe a short shift kit is in order for more reasons than just the increased speed.
Overall I'm a subdued happy with the car. Take that in the context that this car was bought to perform a task not as my dream car. I'm convinced the platform has a lot of potential. It looks as though 500whp will be available in short order due to the shorter stroke and subsequent higher revs but the block will likely have a lower ultimate maximum than its older Fe counterpart.
Overall a nice car. It performs well and speed is deceptive because it's well balanced for a street car. I was pleasantly surprised by the spirited turn in. I wonder if the factory settings are neutral or even toe in on the front. I couldn't resist putting my foot in it one time on the the 45 minute ride home. Very stable all the way to 160. Acceleration was solid and linear but not awe inspiring. Brakes seem good but won't have a definative answer until I can get some heat in them.
Interior, while much better than any previous Evo, is still cheap for a 39K sticker but that's not why you buy this car anyway in particular me but with Mitsu pricing this car in a much higer market the interior is going to hold it back. The sun visors in particular are simply pathetic cheap and the rear seats are some kind of crap foam that's just wrong. I don't think the GSR's are selling all that well because of it. You can get an A4 for nearly the same price. I suspect the SST will garner a lot of attention though.
The only other item I don't like is engine related. I've never seen an engine stay revved up after a throttle blip like this one. A performance engine should blip up and down. It's as though there is a 75# fly wheel in there. I presume this is due to the rich AFM and that will go away once the car is built.
Speaking of building, the huge upside is the large international tuner community that is like having a $200 million development program at someone else's expense. You don't have that with an A4 or others. That's why I chose this platform for my next race car.
Some words on what others have complained about. With the aero package I shouldn't see the stone chips but as I alluded to above, car is headed to become a full bore race car come fall, 10pt cage, tubbed and all so stone chips, just like the cheap interior which will be removed, don't bother me in light of the bigger picture.
I didn't smell any clutch other than the oil being driven out of a newly manufactured part. I made a few slipping starts on steep hills no problems at all though I didn't "launch" it because to me that's just stupid wear that you need to throw a $100 bill in the glove box each time you do it to pay for the impending detonation no matter who the manufacturer is.
The syncros are tight but respond much better when you are driving harder. The transmission is more substantial than in the past and closer to a race box less the straight cut gears. As it should, be the syncros are going to take more abuse to prevent damage to the gears. Syncros easy to fix, gears are hard. What I think most guys are running into is while the throw is loose like a VW the gates are precise like a Ferrari, though nothing approaches the gates on a Ferrari. Once they get used to it, their perceived "problem" will likely go away. Maybe a short shift kit is in order for more reasons than just the increased speed.
Overall I'm a subdued happy with the car. Take that in the context that this car was bought to perform a task not as my dream car. I'm convinced the platform has a lot of potential. It looks as though 500whp will be available in short order due to the shorter stroke and subsequent higher revs but the block will likely have a lower ultimate maximum than its older Fe counterpart.
You said "GT1 Corvettes from Pratt and Miller in the early 2000s" those were Compuware C5R's. Story change. I'm sure Ron F. appreciates your hard work. If you post your name I'll tell him you said Hi.
Pete C (RealTime) in SCCA continues to RENT rides in older cars that aren't eligible for full seasons. Sometimes SCCA will grandfather cars in to keep the fields full. Did you see the 17 TC field for Seabring last week? Pete doesn't start out with cars out of production. 8's are not eligible for homologation in any series. 9's could be homologated for SCCA and are categorized GT (guess who got them categorized) w/no paperwork filed but what fool would start out with a program on a car already approaching limited status? Do you know what it costs to get a car homologated? So again we're back to name the one PROFESSIONAL road racing series the 8 or 9 are eligible for. You have to go back to the Talons in the mid 90's for a GT Mitsu product and those weren't GT which at the time was Group A, they were Group B.. I know them well, Neil H, Paul A, ***** L, I ran against them. The X is a better platform from an engineering standpoint. The shorter stroke will rev faster and higher while providing a flatter curve. Proof of this? Out of the box, the 0-60 on the 9 and X are essentially the same even though the X is heavier wih sound deadening and extra air bags. In the 9 it all comes at the end, hence the comments of no kick in the kidneys in the X. By next year 500WHP will be there. They're at 350 without a tune. Once they get a tune they can start on the real mods.
Then there's the suspension. You can't move pick up points ***** nilly and the 9 flat out rides too high to ever be effective in corners against a race prepared Corvette or GT3 911. All of the sanctioning bodies look for parity in each segment of the track (top end, cornering speed and braking). You're required to carry a series provided GPS based data acquisition box to ensure parity in each area. They don't allow you to be 20mph faster on the straights because your 2 seconds slower in a three turn complex. None of the sanctioning bodies would allow the pick up point moves necessary to get the 9 down low enough without destroying the geometry with pre-load. Even if they did now your talking BIG money to re-design the whole geometry.
For an engineer you aren't taking a very scientific look at this.
Why don't you call up Works and call them idiots for petitioning the Lancer GTS for TC. We're doing it smart and using a year for development.
For the last time, my comment on the interior was about Mitsu's marketing. I don't care about the interior becuase we're going to rip it out. The fact remains that interior isn't going to gain them broader market share by cutting into those who would have bought a low end Audi or a Lexus and that's who they are targeting with the quieter ride and gadgets. If everybody is making the same comment maybe there's something to it. No?
We aren't ready to announce.
Pete C (RealTime) in SCCA continues to RENT rides in older cars that aren't eligible for full seasons. Sometimes SCCA will grandfather cars in to keep the fields full. Did you see the 17 TC field for Seabring last week? Pete doesn't start out with cars out of production. 8's are not eligible for homologation in any series. 9's could be homologated for SCCA and are categorized GT (guess who got them categorized) w/no paperwork filed but what fool would start out with a program on a car already approaching limited status? Do you know what it costs to get a car homologated? So again we're back to name the one PROFESSIONAL road racing series the 8 or 9 are eligible for. You have to go back to the Talons in the mid 90's for a GT Mitsu product and those weren't GT which at the time was Group A, they were Group B.. I know them well, Neil H, Paul A, ***** L, I ran against them. The X is a better platform from an engineering standpoint. The shorter stroke will rev faster and higher while providing a flatter curve. Proof of this? Out of the box, the 0-60 on the 9 and X are essentially the same even though the X is heavier wih sound deadening and extra air bags. In the 9 it all comes at the end, hence the comments of no kick in the kidneys in the X. By next year 500WHP will be there. They're at 350 without a tune. Once they get a tune they can start on the real mods.
Then there's the suspension. You can't move pick up points ***** nilly and the 9 flat out rides too high to ever be effective in corners against a race prepared Corvette or GT3 911. All of the sanctioning bodies look for parity in each segment of the track (top end, cornering speed and braking). You're required to carry a series provided GPS based data acquisition box to ensure parity in each area. They don't allow you to be 20mph faster on the straights because your 2 seconds slower in a three turn complex. None of the sanctioning bodies would allow the pick up point moves necessary to get the 9 down low enough without destroying the geometry with pre-load. Even if they did now your talking BIG money to re-design the whole geometry.
For an engineer you aren't taking a very scientific look at this.
Why don't you call up Works and call them idiots for petitioning the Lancer GTS for TC. We're doing it smart and using a year for development.
For the last time, my comment on the interior was about Mitsu's marketing. I don't care about the interior becuase we're going to rip it out. The fact remains that interior isn't going to gain them broader market share by cutting into those who would have bought a low end Audi or a Lexus and that's who they are targeting with the quieter ride and gadgets. If everybody is making the same comment maybe there's something to it. No?
We aren't ready to announce.
I doubt Pratt and Miller appreciated any of the work, a few years later they switched tire manufacturers.
Name drop all you want, like I said Ill be waiting to see this "race car."
I hope you do campaign this car in a series, dont take my doubts the wrong way. If you have a team and the resources, that would be great. Im sure your driving skill and resources far outweigh mine.
Good luck.
Or only for the wreckless, considering it was on public roads.
Last edited by Tristar; Mar 23, 2008 at 09:45 AM.
certainly, and i'm not all about reckless driving. i just know i shouldn't throw any stones when it comes to that.
take that 160mph detail out of the review, read the thread as a whole, and it still is one of the few reviews that actually have something insightful and detailed (though unverified) to say about driving this entirely new platform.
take that 160mph detail out of the review, read the thread as a whole, and it still is one of the few reviews that actually have something insightful and detailed (though unverified) to say about driving this entirely new platform.
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wow you guys are either all haters or just like to fight, the guy obviously knows his ****, so he decided to test out his new investment in stock form, whats wrong with that? I forgot you must own an evo and never have tested it out, never even went above the speed limit because that would be wrong , honestly i cant wait to see what he does with the car, hopefully he will keep us updated, also no dis respect to anyone but c'mon guys chill out
, honestly i cant wait to see what he does with the car, hopefully he will keep us updated, also no dis respect to anyone but c'mon guys chill outi agree, why do all of you have to have a say on HIS choice on HIS investment, he knows what hes talking about so leave it alone
stop trying to test your metal just to try to prove to youself that your better.
he posted a thread to let everybody in on what he's doing
you dont need to scold or correct him on anything.
my god
go grab some cheetos and cool off