Need help choosing between Evo MR vs GSR
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From: NOVA
No, I don't think. They were just normal auto-manuals.
Yes, I have never had professional driving lessons. This is what I am used to doing -
As I get close to the corner, I hit the clutch and the brakes and and downshift. I let the brakes do 50-75% of the braking. And then release the clutch letting the the engine braking do the remaining 25% of the braking required for the corner. So as I am entering the corner I am at optimal speed to accelerate.
Is this not the right way to do it?
I am not questioning, but asking.
I know heel-toe is the better way to do it to also maintain optimal revs. I am just used to it.
As I get close to the corner, I hit the clutch and the brakes and and downshift. I let the brakes do 50-75% of the braking. And then release the clutch letting the the engine braking do the remaining 25% of the braking required for the corner. So as I am entering the corner I am at optimal speed to accelerate.
Is this not the right way to do it?
I am not questioning, but asking.
I know heel-toe is the better way to do it to also maintain optimal revs. I am just used to it.
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I did some quick research on Wikipedia for two of the cars you mention (370Z, Camaro). Neither of them appears to have a paddle-shifted transmission with a clutch. I suspect you were driving transmissions with torque converters.
No, I do not think it is really right. Brakes are for braking.
Rather than hijack this thread with this subject, though, I'd recommend you check out the Driving Techniques section. Lots of good stuff in there, but also some kack. (Hint: anyone who talks about exploring his car's limits anywhere other than a track should be ignored.) Guys like ChronoHunter seem to really know their stuff.
I would just like to point out, though, that if you are actually shifting and braking ''in corners'' as you said in one of your posts, you are risking a spin if you are driving anywhere near the limit of adhesion. Please be careful. Far too many Evos have been wrapped around tall, slender objects.
Yes, I have never had professional driving lessons. This is what I am used to doing -
As I get close to the corner, I hit the clutch and the brakes and and downshift. I let the brakes do 50-75% of the braking. And then release the clutch letting the the engine braking do the remaining 25% of the braking required for the corner. So as I am entering the corner I am at optimal speed to accelerate.
Is this not the right way to do it?
As I get close to the corner, I hit the clutch and the brakes and and downshift. I let the brakes do 50-75% of the braking. And then release the clutch letting the the engine braking do the remaining 25% of the braking required for the corner. So as I am entering the corner I am at optimal speed to accelerate.
Is this not the right way to do it?
Rather than hijack this thread with this subject, though, I'd recommend you check out the Driving Techniques section. Lots of good stuff in there, but also some kack. (Hint: anyone who talks about exploring his car's limits anywhere other than a track should be ignored.) Guys like ChronoHunter seem to really know their stuff.
I would just like to point out, though, that if you are actually shifting and braking ''in corners'' as you said in one of your posts, you are risking a spin if you are driving anywhere near the limit of adhesion. Please be careful. Far too many Evos have been wrapped around tall, slender objects.
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From: Detroit, MI
Hi All,
I have finally decided on getting an Evo. Now for the difficult part of choosing MR vs GSR. I have driven a friend's GSR and absolutely loved it. The problem is that the dealer does not let us test drive an MR, which is why I look up to you folks who either own an MR or have driven both, for guidance.
Here are some factors to consider -
- Price is not an issue.
- would mod it just a little bit eventually, maybe upto 350hp.
- Mostly used for street driving and maybe once a year for a FATT event.
- I don't do a lot of heel-toe, rev-matching ..etc with a manual. Does the MR help in this area?
- All I am looking is for a car that is fun to drive, which is why I picked the Evo in the first place.
- I drove a couple of other cars with paddles - G37, 370z, Camaro SS and absolutely hated them. (would have enjoyed the manual versions though).
I have been driving manuals for around 20 yrs and the only reason for even considering the MR is because of the reviews that say it is still fun and keeps you in control. And of course the BBS wheels and leather touches.
If the MR came in Manual, I would be owning one now.
As a evo newbie, any suggestions are really appreciated.
Thanks!
I have finally decided on getting an Evo. Now for the difficult part of choosing MR vs GSR. I have driven a friend's GSR and absolutely loved it. The problem is that the dealer does not let us test drive an MR, which is why I look up to you folks who either own an MR or have driven both, for guidance.
Here are some factors to consider -
- Price is not an issue.
- would mod it just a little bit eventually, maybe upto 350hp.
- Mostly used for street driving and maybe once a year for a FATT event.
- I don't do a lot of heel-toe, rev-matching ..etc with a manual. Does the MR help in this area?
- All I am looking is for a car that is fun to drive, which is why I picked the Evo in the first place.
- I drove a couple of other cars with paddles - G37, 370z, Camaro SS and absolutely hated them. (would have enjoyed the manual versions though).
I have been driving manuals for around 20 yrs and the only reason for even considering the MR is because of the reviews that say it is still fun and keeps you in control. And of course the BBS wheels and leather touches.
If the MR came in Manual, I would be owning one now.
As a evo newbie, any suggestions are really appreciated.
Thanks!
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I think it all depends on what you want. If you are going for all out speed and the potential to mod to get big power... get the GSR. But the MR would be much easier to live with on a daily basis... and it would be quieter on the highway due to the 6th gear.
you say you only want 350 hp but once you get there you're more than likely gonna want more. i said i just wanted to run 12's in the 1/4 but now that i'm there i want 11's. and the MR just isnt as much fun.
I like a few of the additional features of the MR but there was no way in hell I was buying an automatic transmission Evo (call it what you will, but it's not a manual). Maybe I am a purist, but I think sports car should have three pedals and a shifter; shifting is part of the enjoyment I get from driving the car.
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From: NOVA
So I finally got a chance to test drive an MR and a GSR back to back.
I thought it was amazing what the TC-SST can do. Shifts are spontaneous and it rev-matches too, not to mention S-Sport mode holds almost until redline.
I have driven a DSG before and it does not even come close.
But at the end I was not looking for better lap times on track days considering I may track it only once a year. And I was not looking for a softer highway ride with the 6th gear. All I wanted was something fun to drive and the GSR was the one that put a smile on my face.
Thanks to everyone's input and to the used dealership who let me test drive an MR, I made the jump and bought a new PB GSR SS yesterday!
Absolutely loving it.
BTW I did see the specs of the GSR SE coming out in Sept and I decided to get the GSR right away cos I am afraid there will be a shortage of the manuals.
Looking forward to being an active member on the forums.
I thought it was amazing what the TC-SST can do. Shifts are spontaneous and it rev-matches too, not to mention S-Sport mode holds almost until redline.
I have driven a DSG before and it does not even come close.
But at the end I was not looking for better lap times on track days considering I may track it only once a year. And I was not looking for a softer highway ride with the 6th gear. All I wanted was something fun to drive and the GSR was the one that put a smile on my face.
Thanks to everyone's input and to the used dealership who let me test drive an MR, I made the jump and bought a new PB GSR SS yesterday!
Absolutely loving it.
BTW I did see the specs of the GSR SE coming out in Sept and I decided to get the GSR right away cos I am afraid there will be a shortage of the manuals.
Looking forward to being an active member on the forums.
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My left ankle was destroyed about 2 and a half months ago. Today is the first day I've been able to walk. I sure am glad I have an MR.
Even without my injury, I'd still buy another MR. They are not perfect, but then again, neither is the GSR stock clutch or transmission.
Even without my injury, I'd still buy another MR. They are not perfect, but then again, neither is the GSR stock clutch or transmission.