I'm going to buy another EVO X soon. I sold my last one which was a GSR. Tracked it a bunch of times at Buttonwillow, Laguna Seca .

I'm not into modding for big horsepower,or into drag racing at the strip. I'm going to do just a tune and light bolt on mods. It will be a dedicated track car. Should I buy another GSR? Or a MR with the paddle shift (twin clutch)?For the folks in the same shoes, and have experienced both. I would love to hear what you have to say. Thank you very much.....

 

No track rats here? Or did I hit the wrong note?

 

SE or MR for track. GSR for autocross, rallycross, drag, or the pure joy of shifting.

 

I don't necessarily agree and I think it is a tougher call. I road race a GSR. Many Evos in my and related classes and I think almost all are 5 speeds. Very few MRs. I do understand that the paddle trans will require some upgrades to be suitable for consistent track use but SSP has developed some good solutions here. I don't think you can go wrong either way. The paddles shift very very fast while the 5 speed offers some car control options that you won't have with the auto trans.

For my use, I wanted the simplicity and the control advantages of the 5 speed.

 

Motorsport section is below (for some reason below ... :0 ) you can find the track and race rats, hence the guys who use the Evo's what they intend to do from day one .
For track only or more oriented use, the GSR is the way to go, lots of reason for it.
The MR has only advantage which is a faster shifter tranny, out of box. Other then that, cost more to fix, also not really proven for a long track use etc. Needs already upgrades like added oil cooler etc. Which is exactly the opposite of a racing build, adding weight for the car, make it less room - less simple build etc ...
Most parts u will upgrade anyway, so the 2 piece rotor blienstin suspension etc is just a moot point.

The GSR can be easier to make lighter, and the transmission is also easier to upgrade in many ways, like for start cheaper can be upgraded with other gears etc. Clutch is easy to find( for your needs and price) and they are looong time proven etc.
So in short there is many many reasons why the GSR is the one for track use. Some find it out a hard way ....

in very short this is my opinion.

ROb

ps :in fact if they would sell the most BASIC version of the X the X RS , that would be the real choice of the track car, period. Maybe that is a reason why the X RS never made it the USA shore, there is a huge miss understanding about the EVO on track or in general in the States. So the Mitsubishi didnt bother to bring them here. Since 99% of the people saw only a bargain car instead of the race car in them. There for the true value of the RS line. Now i have to suffer because of that .... LOL

 

what are you basing your opinion on?

 

Hey guys I appreciate the responses.

I think I'm gonna go with a MR and add a transmission cooler to it.

 

That the faster shifting of the MR pays off on the track the most (see almost any published head-to-head between an MR and GSR), but the ability to set the gear with complete confidence is better for tighter turns (autocross) and slippery surfaces (rallycross) and/or the strength of tranny when more power is added all argue for the GSR in other situations.

 

Since i have some track time in my MR i'll chime in a bit..

First off i'm a noob when it comes to performance driving. I would say that i feel like i can drive better than i really can.. Get me in a rwd car and i'm sure i'd be all over the infield.. With that said.. over the past 2 years i've attended 3 driving schools and have had a decent amount of time on the road course and Auto x.. with more on the horizon. At this point while driving the evo x and one opportunity to drive a gtr. I would have to say that i've attempted to put all the basic's to the road. The MR for someone just getting in to road racing, Solo, solo 2 etc etc is a great first step! infact it's probably 4 or 5 step up's from where alot of people start. I'm not sure what your experiance level is at. but from the little seat time ive had and the fact that our cars are competitive with cars that cost anywhere from 10,000-80,000$ more.. is amazing.

Last season my car was pretty much stock apart from the cobb hard pipe kit and a cobb AP with ots tune. Stock tires stock suspension, stock trans cooler etc etc.. even stock breaks.. the cadalac cts-v was breaking (1-2 signs)25 feet earlier than my mr to hit the apex and exit points.. i honestly didn't think they were that much heavyier than our cars.. either way the Evo mr will impress..

So from a "hobby" point of view.. I can take my car to the track race it all day.. Then go back in to the city in "auto normal" listening to music with the sunroof open.


Pro's
- Leave it in Auto to consentrate more on your entrences apexes and exits.
- Always on boost between shifts (kinda like anti lag but for free)
- S-Sport Manual infact does feel like a manual. you feel the lurches between shifts like you would in a real manual. It also helps you decelerate by down shifting like a manual.

Nutural.. (not sure if it's a pro or con)
- When you try to down shift on deceleration it will not allow you to shift in to too low of a gear. it will simply beep at ya.

Con's
- Does infact over heat... After a couple good hard sessions.. you'll get "trans over heat" messages.. dont pull over right a way.. just put it in to manual, do a few cool down laps, go in to the pits spray the trans cooler with cold water and go back out. but use manual S-sport mode.. The trans wont over heat as fast as Auto S-sport.
- i'm sure there are more.. but i dont really know any at the moment.
- replacement price/ maintance.. (ps use dsg oil.. same stuff but cheaper than the mitsu sst stuff. )

 

If you drive it right the GSR also stay in "boost"...

Which is really not staying in "boost" more like staying in the right gear

So basically if you do manual in the MR and you over shift you also fell out of "boost" unless its automatically down shifts for you. Which leads to my point , not staying in boost more like staying in the right gear.
Also worth to mention , with a stock turbo at high rpm (where the S-sport mode keeps the car), the evo is actually out of breath anyway, you should more think about over 6k rpm (aprox) it is more of the N/A engine then boosted performance wise.
There is the range where also a big help for the X the new 4B11T engine, which flows better and have a dual MIVEC set up. like Vtec YO :0

There for if you are in the right gear, there is no boost holding or staying issue between the two trim. Just a driver input vs the computer input.
Which is a plus for the MR if you are really novice or low medium. Above that level you should be in the right gear anyway.
BUT there is no denying the MR has a better shifter transmission. that is not a point.

The point is when you build a track car , the pros for the SST is really do over come of the negatives it has vs the MT.
For light track use and dd, the SST in my opinion is better choice. For hard core track or heavy track use the MT is a much better option.
You dont build or engineer a race car around one component. So in overall picture the SST is not a best choice for an under founded race car, that is my point.
But even then, when you are well founded, you throw a real sequential trans (usually5 speed) in it ,and you ending up with a car without SST anyway

The real race sequential transmission is better transmission for racing then a SST, period. But cost a lot more to maintenance it , and literally a torture for DD. But wasn't designed for that anyway.
The SST is a great option between the MT and the SQ trans. For guys who like comfy DD and light track use.

but if i am right, we are talking about which car is better for a track use.


ps: Cadillac CTS-V should murder the evo, period. But as you see it is all about the driver , not the car.

 

He is talking about that you do not lose boost between gears while shifting in the MR, not any of the nonsense about "proper driving" you just replied with.

 

Are you back hater... lol
Thank you, by the way i would never known this....
How much boost you loose between the shift if you do it a right time and then how much is matters... lol.
For others who doesnt know this guy above my troll a long time now. Which is awesome, i have one of those too

 

ps: Cadillac CTS-V should murder the evo, period. But as you see it is all about the driver , not the car.[/quote]

Yep, it is about driver skill... I'm trying to state that for the price of our car being competitive in a track day situation with cars that in "theory" should murder us just plain don't.. yes they pull away on the straights but we pull them in on the corners they get blue flaged. then we pass them.. isn't that the point of a track day? have fun using your car to it's potential? i was like 12 seconds off the track record.. which is A LOT!! it's a fairly tight short course. concidering there was a full race set up mustang that was doing lap times 3 seconds or so off the course record as well as a gtr in the 2-4 second's off the track record. and the track record to my knowledge was a low horse power caterham.

either way.. to the op, if it's a track only evo x .. might go with what the other guys suggest.. GSR spend a bunch of money on it to make it a monster..
-caster,camber kits
-coil overs
-front and rear anti roll bars
-suspension poly bushings ours are oooiegooy rubber ones.. nice for day to day driving but these gotta go even on my car!

i have a couple pics of me passing a vette and ctsv on my photo bucket. if you enjoy motor sports and looking at cars in action feel free to check it out
www.photobucket.com/bowrepublik
theres some car show pics, cochrane rally pics, stratotech pics etc etc.

 

Com'on, peeps. Go back and reread the first post, OK? He doesn't want to mod the car; maybe just some bolt-ons. He asked which is better for open track. Back-to-back testing has always come down in favor of a stock MR over a stock GSR for what he wants to do. If you think that a few bolt-ons will change this, then OK, but otherwise....

 

He also said dedicated track car. But i am guessing the dedicated can be translated many ways.