Ohhhhhh-Kayyyy. Here goes

El take-o la key-o from la fob-o.
El turn-o la key-o around-o esta la el manual-o says-o
Insert la key-o en el lock-o en el door-o
Turn-o el key-o left-o. No bueno
Turn-o el key-o right-o. No beuno also-o
Door-o lock-o's no el clicka, El handle no trabajo. No bueno gringo.
El key-o en la lock-o la door-o la drivers-o, push el button-o en la trunk. No Bueno

Ai Chingala !

No linkage from cylinder to door latch assy. Only a wiring connector to vehicle harness.
Actuators work on electricity. So do the ecu's.
No electricity, no electrical functions

Look, the key dont work. It does nothing at all. Just turns left and right in the cylinder. I aint no dummy. If it's supposed to work it's surely going to take electrical power to do it.
I have none.
If there is a short term battery backup in the circuitry it too is dead.
The key is NOT unlocking the car. Honest.

 

Maybe is something wrong with your car then. Are you under warranty? If so, doesn't Mitsubishi offer some kind of road side assistance? Even if it's at your house, technically your car doesn't work.

I don't know man. Unless, like you say, the cars have some kind back up circuit to hold a charge, something is wrong with your car. Because others seem to be able to get in their car with no battery connected.

 

What you need a picture of is fairly hard to access for every day dudes. The most likely people that would have an engine out of an Evo or have an Evo with enough front end removed to get you the picture you need would be custom builders/tuners.

There are tons of them posting on here and available via a quick search. I would bet most of the big shops have an engine about they are working on/backup. Call em up and see if they can "Hook a brother up".

 

[QUOTE=supwiddiss;11092981]So from what I can tell, no way Jose' is the car going to open without battery power present.
Yes dude, the cylinder is not frozen. How would I have stated it only turns left and right with the key in it?QUOTE]

Ok dude, just trying to help dude…

I obviously didn’t mean that the hole is completely frozen to the point that you cannot insert the key in it, but maybe something is frozen/ dirty/ contact loose etc inside the hole and it will not allow a full turn to unlock the mechanism, the car will lock and unlock without a battery (using the physical key)

-Next thing to do is remove the front mesh grill out and try to unbolt the whole latch assemble, pull the hood up enough to fit your hand and with some pliers you should be able to get the hood open.

It is impossible for anyone to diagnose the car over the internet therefore people are trying to rule out common issues before telling you to grab a brick and smash the window… Either way good luck!

 

<- mutters something about April 1st coming early this year and wanders off again

 

I have a 2012 GSR I disconnected the battery and........ I can still open the doors with the physical key. I recommend you call your insurance company and have them tow your car to a dealer and have them troubleshoot.

 

Thank you for your intuitiveness. There is a short term battery backup of sorts in the keyless system. Mine went dead when the main battery drained. Not that I'd be asking for any more favors here after the resopnses I got to a simple request for a pic or 2. It'll take me maybe 5 minutes to pull the door panel and peek at the actual door handle itself when I get a charge into her and unlock it.

I was able to shove my phone up in close enough to the alt. to get a clear pic of the battery lead and cover over the stud. The starter lead is out of the question. I'll have to wait until it warms up a bit to pop the cover.
It's brutal up here.

Of the many thing my dad left behind, one was teaching that if a person asked for help, help them. Even if they are an idiot (which I am definitely not by a far shot). It's like if a hottie is beside the road with a flat from a nail she ran over you dont peel her out and ask wtf she ran over a nail for. You jack up her car and change the damn tire. Then ask for her number.

Look at the responses here. It's almost disgusting. But these are the people who run from a fire and watch EMT's pull victims out. Disgusting. And they respond to favors like this over and over. They are the one who roach their evos and rice them out and watch Mecum years later and say I used to have one of those. Not like my attachment that I can trample through the snow and look at any day of the week.

So thanks everyone. Really. The good ones are awesome. I'll do it myself and figure just how long you can unhook the battery for and still have the doors unlock with the key. They act like a person has never used a key before..... crap fella's!

 

Did he also teach you that the way you talk to people, will get you a long way? If you're kind of being a dick, then people will be less likely to help you.

Sorry man, I got some fat hands and arms. If it is difficult to get to, then I know I wouldn't have been able to get in there for you.

Although it sounds very possible that there is some circuit that holds a charge for unlocking the door, I'm not sure if we know that for sure. You found the door actuator schematic in the manual. You find anything about something that holds a charge for that actuator?

 

Kenneth,

This started out as:
"Long story short. Could someone snap a photo of the rear of an Evo X alternator in-car that shows the the 12V terminal cover? Hopefully before and after it's unclipped to expose the terminal".

Certainly a question asked as a favor. You replied with:

"Why wont your key unlock your door? Your door does not have a key hole?"
If I had a key (I have 2 fob's both with keys) what fathoms a person's mind to remotely think that I didn't try them first before kindly asking for a favor?


Of course I got this:

"Should always unhook your battery if you're gonna be parking it that long."
Nice. No photo and wow if I locked it that way I'd be kinda screwed if I wanted to and expected for it to unlock. I mean, i didn't know work would ask me if I could stay a few extra weeks to train my replacement. Nes pa?

And the nail-in-the-tire question:

"Why wont your key unlock your door? Your door does not have a key hole?"
A dick would have replied "No, I bondoed it shut" or "No I specifically ordered it with a riced out keyhole deletion option". Still no photo. A waste of both our times.


But Kenneth you were kind enough to point the place I would disconnect the battery, shut the hood, and screw myself from ever getting back in the car if we all knew 100% that the key would work to get back in under the hood. Good info, really! Thanks for that one.

And:

"So, you physically take the key out of the fob, put it in the key hole in the trunk or in the door, turn the key, and the door does not unlock?"
Yup, that about covers why I need to get to the alternator to get a charge to the battery.

And then again you type:

"I just don't understand why the door or trunk can't open? Thats why the fob's have a physical key. It shouldn't matter if the car has zero power because you are physically turning the key to release the door/trunk lock. "
Well, seeing as how I have military experience you simply do not work on equipment without technical manuals present for anything but the simplest repairs/service. And having that literature helps you understand the function of the various mechanisms on that equipment and proper troubleshooting/repair procedures."NO PHYSICAL LINKAGE ARM EXISTS FROM THE DOOR HANDLE LOCK CYLINDER TO THE LATCH ASSEMBLY".

(Notification alert goes off again. A reply to my post):

"So you tried the physical key that is inside the fob and the doors don’t open?"
Ummm yeah. Every way possible in the one and only lock cylinder on the outside of the car. Which is why I need to push a few electrons in the battery in the trunk that I cannot get to because the car is locked up tight.

Once again:

"Seriously? Remove the physical key out of your key fob. Insert the key into the door key hole and turn."
Man! Do you know that I actually did that again because you suggested i do? After already having tried it at least 10 previous times before?. Heating the garage up when it's negative zero out with a reddy heater.

This is where I started my Tourettes in my limited Spanish. A little levity in all the monotiny.

You again stating an obvious problem that I've personally diagnosed and asked for some brotherly assistance:

"Maybe is something wrong with your car then".
Yeah I suppose so. I can't open the door with the key. And the battery is stone dead. And it's imprisoned in a colder than ice garage until spring time.

Thanks Mani. Wouldn't that be too cool? Wish it could happen. Really. Honestly:
"What you need a picture of is fairly hard to access for every day dudes. The most likely people that would have an engine out of an Evo or have an Evo with enough front end removed to get you the picture you need would be custom builders/tuners. "
Hopefully wishing for Marimba to play on my phone with a couple of pics.


an2ny:
Thanks dude. Something is wrong. I'd love to try to charge the battery some and figure it all out without yanking the bumper. I'd be happy if the bumper only came off once to bolt an AMS intercooler in.

Jossue:
Awesome. Thanks! I know you'd lose your presets but what if...just what if you left it unhooked for lets say...a day? Better leave that trunk lid popped just in case.

Kenny, Kenny, Kennyyyyy:
"Did he also teach you that the way you talk to people, will get you a long way? If you're kind of being a dick, then people will be less likely to help you."
My dad was an awesome man. He taught me everything that put me where I am today...exception I'm taking care of his estate and am living on the farm that I grew up on. He spent 23 years in the USAF. I've LIVED in 4 countries, went through 2 government overthrows. (Greece in the 70's). He was my hero dude. Now he's gone. One thing he did teach me is to help people in need. I give to the American Cancer Society. The dude that hits you up at the car wash, the "bum"? I offer him 5 bucks to wash my car and I've got the bucket, water and soap....and he runs away. Yeah, at times what's in my Levis does migrate to the top of my shoulders. But that only for a short time. It usually occurs when someone irritates me beyond all possible belief. But, as my sheriff chickie friend who drove around picking up probation violaters told me. "If they anger you, they have won". Good motto to live by. Few have actually "won". Not you man. Not you. Thanks for the pics.


Oh. Looking around in the svc manual. Look at the KOS-ECU module. Power Supply tells me that there is a backup. So mine went dead because the dead main battery didn't keep it refreshed? Hmmmmm...how many hours is it good for?

 

Sorry man. I won't bother quoting all of your responses but they leave much to be desired. My old man was a dick and a terrible roll model. But my grandma always used the saying "you catch more flies with honey then you do with vinegar," or something like that, but it seems to apply well here.

You are wanting a favor from someone. A favor that seems to be a little difficult to do and requires someone to be somewhat of a "contortionist." Yet you want to speak to us like you are some kind of smug A-hole and we are quote "disgusting." We are the type of people who run from fires and rice out our Evo's.

You use the example of some hot chick on the side of the road. But a better example would be some random guy, and when you go to help him, he talks down to you and calls you names. I seriously doubt you would stick around to finish the job.

Most people including myself had no idea about the doors not opening with the physical key. I have been reading through these forums for a few years now and have come across many dead battery posts. But non have had issues with the key. Infact it really seems like a stupid design on Mitsu's part to require some kind of power to unlock it.

As somebody had pointed out, it is pretty difficult to get a pic of where you are asking for. You do not live in the only city that is cold. So the favor you are asking, requires someone to put a little effort forward. I assume that most on here have decided, like me, to not bother helping someone who is being a dick and speaking down to us.

We have given you suggestions and you don't seem to care. You want what you want, and if we don't provide that for you, you will resort to name calling and verbal abuse.

If I was a mod I would look at your low post count and how long you have been a member of this forum. I would see that you don't really try to help anyone out on here yourself although you self proclaim to help people when in need. I would also look and see you don't really post unless it pertains to you, and you do little to contribute to this forum. I would then take into consideration how you speak to people you don't know, even though your old man has taught you to help random strangers. I would then send you a first and last warning and just ban you next time you randomly come into this forum needing help or actually posting help for someone else's issue, but continue talking to people the way you do.

Good luck man. I would just have Mitsu tow the car to the dealer and get it running again (under warranty). But keep doing whatever you are doing about it. Keep up with the way you talk to people on here. That really seems to be working well for you. I'm sure next time you have an issue and come on this forum, people will just be standing in line to do what they can to help you.

On a side thought....there is nothing worst then someone who "helps" people, but then goes out of their way to tell you how they help people. Kind of like they do it and publicly talk about it because it makes them feel better about themselves.

 

It's all good. I am a low poster. Because I read and take good ideas from others and learn. And though wishing I had my 06 MR still (stolen for the recaros and then auctioned as cert. of destruction) my gsr will be around for the rest of my days.

A question, favor turned into a string of bs. One person said it is a bear to get into there (alt. area) to snap a pic. That would have been good enough. Or possibly a person with the radiator out could get right in there. And it would have been greatly appreciated.

Nail in the tire is valid. We know an extended loss of battery power results in the spare key not operating the KOS electronics. Tech literature shows that the lock cyl. is solely electrical.

It is common practice for folks to put cars up for the winter up north. My AAR is sits covered up in a large garage and the battery is on trickle in the cellar. I'd come up for vacation and drive it a few weeks a year.

Point is that expecting that there was a spare key to unlock as an alternative to KOS, no worries. Right? Put your car up for the winter. Cover it, lock it, and spring time comes unlock the door. Pop the trunk release. And stick the battery back in the trunk.

Before posting here I determined that the spare key would not work. It just wouldn't work. Ok? I remembered that it should if something in the KOS went bad. And yes, a key should work as a last ditch effort to get inside. But it doesn't. That was clear. No need to repetively keep trying and getting frustrated.

Since I did know that with a charged battery (ignore why it went dead in the first place. matters beyond my control) the KOS system worked just fine and my next step was to discover a place to get a charge back into it.

Years of working on cars, trucks, etc. Everybody knows a dead sure place to get 12V is at the starter or alternator. Those are the highest current capacity cables on the entire vehicle. And they both lead straight to the battery (of sorts). But I did search my tech manual for a place outside of the trunk to snag a charging point. If i left the trunk or hood popped this post would have never started in the first place. I did not.

All that was needed here was people to know a guy asked for a few photos, the key did not work to get into the car and ultimately pop the trunk.

Lots of the "good guys" here post step-by-step how to's. That will be my next post. Perhaps if for some reason the main battery dies, the KOS has a backup that retains power for a finite time. Reference a Lojack or Viper alarm with backup batteries.

It could have been as pleasurable here.
"Could someone send me a pic?" (did that at work all the time to assist techs at other branches).
"Wow dude its tight in there. Wish you luck"
"Hey man I had my radiator out. Here's a couple. I popped the tab with a little screwdriver on the very top of the cover and it opened up. Good luck"
"I just pulled my engine. Here's a few of the alternator lead and cover. It pops open easy. See the little tab?"

It's "Sugar and Salt" (the catch more flies thing). I swear I wouldn't be here if the damned key worked like advertised. Although your photos were clear, they werent the ones I really needed. You were not one bit of help and sir, in this and other like responses to valid requests where you provide "no answer", you should stfu.

 

Again, ignoring your overall dickish words and demeanor, and ignoring that you told me to stfu, I feel inclined to ask another simple question. I haven't seen anyone else ask you this, although most likely because they got tired of you and the way you are responding to them. But when you try to unlock your door using the physical key, you do so with your key like this <inserts clear photo>

When you mix the sugar and salt to catch the flies, what do you use as your sugar to salt ratio?

 

Look Man, I know you are frustrated but really you should think about how you're reacting, now I usually don't post solutions or attempted fixes cause I have learned no two issues are the same, I'm a soldier and I have left my car in a garage without a battery during a nine month deployment and I was still able to open it after I got back with just a key. So with that in mind once again you have proven to me that some people want help and some just want to hear what they want hear period. Don't include me in your rant about helping people cause after 3 deployments I KNOW I have done my share. Good luck with your car

 

Yes sir. Just like that. Btw, it's 2 hours to the closest Mitsu dealer. Btw, salt in one pile and sugar in the other. Have a nice day.

 

Why does it matter how far away the local Mitsu dealer is? Why not get the roadside assistance to come to you?

Also again I have to ask a stupid question. You are sure the fob itself is good? When you hit lock or unlock on the fob, you see the red light come on? Also you haven't replaced the battery in it recently (probably not since you have a 2012, but still possible). Also, you don't have your cell phone with you or in your pocket when you try to unlock it? And lastly, you have tried using both keys just incase?

I am reading through the manual, in efforts to find something that might help. One thing I noticed when researching this, is supposedly the locking mechanism in the door should be lubricated every so often as it can jam up pretty easily in cold temps and climate. But with my initial search, I have not found anything about the door lock being electronic only. From what most have said, it is electronic for normal use. But also has mechanical for physical key use. I will update you if I find out anything concrete.