Is anyone developing dampers for the X?
Sep 8, 2008, 06:08 AM
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Is anyone developing dampers for the X?
As I understand it, Koni has left Evo owners high and dry due to the inverted monotube design but I was wondering if any other manufacturers were planning a set of shocks that could be mated with a set of springs that isn't a full blown adjustable coilover setup.
I'm not sure I want to pay the steep entrance cost of coilovers along with corner balancing when they represent far more suspension than I would ever need.
I'm not sure I want to pay the steep entrance cost of coilovers along with corner balancing when they represent far more suspension than I would ever need.
Sep 8, 2008, 07:24 AM
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I actually track my car and I don't want some cheapo coilover made for nothing more than appearance. I should have qualified my question with this. I have a feeling I'm going to end up going with KW3s but I still think that's overkill for 4-5 track events per year.
Sep 8, 2008, 07:40 AM
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Kw3s plus camber plates are gonna be like 2300-2500.
I ended up with the stance gr+pro ssd coilovers. They saved me 1k vs the kw3s and they had the camber plates already. Sure no seperate low and high speed settings, but for 4-5 track events a year that should be ok.
If you are somewhere where they salt the roads (or you want to save some weight) look at the AL+Pro -- al = aluminium.
I ended up with the stance gr+pro ssd coilovers. They saved me 1k vs the kw3s and they had the camber plates already. Sure no seperate low and high speed settings, but for 4-5 track events a year that should be ok.
If you are somewhere where they salt the roads (or you want to save some weight) look at the AL+Pro -- al = aluminium.
Sep 8, 2008, 07:47 AM
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Kw3s plus camber plates are gonna be like 2300-2500.
I ended up with the stance gr+pro ssd coilovers. They saved me 1k vs the kw3s and they had the camber plates already. Sure no seperate low and high speed settings, but for 4-5 track events a year that should be ok.
If you are somewhere where they salt the roads (or you want to save some weight) look at the AL+Pro -- al = aluminium.
I ended up with the stance gr+pro ssd coilovers. They saved me 1k vs the kw3s and they had the camber plates already. Sure no seperate low and high speed settings, but for 4-5 track events a year that should be ok.
If you are somewhere where they salt the roads (or you want to save some weight) look at the AL+Pro -- al = aluminium.
I'm still hesitant of any adjustable coilovers. I don't want to end up having to adjust compression, rebound, and ride height. I feel I'd end up making it handle worse than stock.
Sep 8, 2008, 07:57 AM
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The Als are a bit more (100? 150? I don't remember... it put them out of the range I wanted to spend -- and I don't have to worry about salt here in Texas except on the beach 
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I'm putting on the coil overs tonight. I did the exhaust this weekend and that was enough wrench time for the weekend... plus I had an autocross on Sunday so I didn't want to have brand new coilovers on without an alignment for an event.
The cheaper coilovers (stance, BC, etc.) will have two adjustments, ride height and dampener (both compression and rebound). Once you get to the more expensive ones (Stance 3 way w/reservoir, $1k, KWs $1.2k + camber plates) then you start getting height, rebound, compression, etc.
With any of them you'll likely set the height and forget it. I think I'll play with the dampening at the track. I'll also change the camber and toe (which will be the biggest beating having to change the front toe before and after every track event).
After talking to a few people about it, I think that having too much adjustment (as in the Stance 3ways or the KWs) would just give me more stuff to jack with (like tire pressures aren't enough!) and I'd just end up worse off.
There are some very quick Evos with dampeners and springs (one that is repeatedly touted on here), but at a national level, coilovers are in 99% of the vehicles.
ETA: I talked to quite a few people on here with the BCs and I think that for 4-5 track days/events a year you will be fine with them. I went with the Stance because I liked the characteristics of the Pro+ a bit better (helper springs). Of course, they are 14/14 spring rates so they are likely going to be very stiff, especially with stock tires (that I need to burn through in order to get my Dunlops
). Take a look at the sticky on this forum to see the spring rates of other COs. I think that the Robispec version of the KWs are stiffer than stock KWs, so that helped influence me to a bit stiffer spring rate.
Of course, I autocross 2-3 times a month and am at the track every couple months, so I wanted something a bit more performance than the BCs stock offering.
).I'm putting on the coil overs tonight. I did the exhaust this weekend and that was enough wrench time for the weekend... plus I had an autocross on Sunday so I didn't want to have brand new coilovers on without an alignment for an event.
The cheaper coilovers (stance, BC, etc.) will have two adjustments, ride height and dampener (both compression and rebound). Once you get to the more expensive ones (Stance 3 way w/reservoir, $1k, KWs $1.2k + camber plates) then you start getting height, rebound, compression, etc.
With any of them you'll likely set the height and forget it. I think I'll play with the dampening at the track. I'll also change the camber and toe (which will be the biggest beating having to change the front toe before and after every track event).
After talking to a few people about it, I think that having too much adjustment (as in the Stance 3ways or the KWs) would just give me more stuff to jack with (like tire pressures aren't enough!) and I'd just end up worse off.
There are some very quick Evos with dampeners and springs (one that is repeatedly touted on here), but at a national level, coilovers are in 99% of the vehicles.
ETA: I talked to quite a few people on here with the BCs and I think that for 4-5 track days/events a year you will be fine with them. I went with the Stance because I liked the characteristics of the Pro+ a bit better (helper springs). Of course, they are 14/14 spring rates so they are likely going to be very stiff, especially with stock tires (that I need to burn through in order to get my Dunlops
). Take a look at the sticky on this forum to see the spring rates of other COs. I think that the Robispec version of the KWs are stiffer than stock KWs, so that helped influence me to a bit stiffer spring rate.Of course, I autocross 2-3 times a month and am at the track every couple months, so I wanted something a bit more performance than the BCs stock offering.
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Sep 8, 2008, 08:04 AM
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Thanks, man. I look forward to hearing your full impressions once everything is dialed in. I understand that at a national level, coilovers are the norm but frankly, I won't ever be timed or racing so I have a hard time justifying the cost.
For what it's worth, Stance has the AL+Pro listed at $1695 on their website but I don't believe that is the unit with the remote reservoir like your units.
http://www.stance-usa.com/sus/index....d=33&Itemid=45
For what it's worth, Stance has the AL+Pro listed at $1695 on their website but I don't believe that is the unit with the remote reservoir like your units.
http://www.stance-usa.com/sus/index....d=33&Itemid=45
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Sep 8, 2008, 08:12 AM
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Mine are the GR+Pro SSD, they don't have the remote reservoir. It's the 3-ways with the external reservoir.
I didn't want to spend the money or deal with mounting the reservoir...
Contact Mike at Touge Factory on pricing. MSRP is "suggested" but not "actual" lol.
It doesn't look like the AL comes in the SSD [yet], with the heavier dampening (14/14), they are 10/10 (which is honestly likely enough for street tires and more than occasional track usage.
I'd also contact Evo-L to ask about the BCs if you're interested. He's a good guy to talk about these things and he sells a ton of BCs.
I didn't want to spend the money or deal with mounting the reservoir...
Contact Mike at Touge Factory on pricing. MSRP is "suggested" but not "actual" lol.
It doesn't look like the AL comes in the SSD [yet], with the heavier dampening (14/14), they are 10/10 (which is honestly likely enough for street tires and more than occasional track usage.
I'd also contact Evo-L to ask about the BCs if you're interested. He's a good guy to talk about these things and he sells a ton of BCs.
Sep 8, 2008, 08:53 AM
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Mine are the GR+Pro SSD, they don't have the remote reservoir. It's the 3-ways with the external reservoir.
I didn't want to spend the money or deal with mounting the reservoir...
Contact Mike at Touge Factory on pricing. MSRP is "suggested" but not "actual" lol.
It doesn't look like the AL comes in the SSD [yet], with the heavier dampening (14/14), they are 10/10 (which is honestly likely enough for street tires and more than occasional track usage.
I'd also contact Evo-L to ask about the BCs if you're interested. He's a good guy to talk about these things and he sells a ton of BCs.
I didn't want to spend the money or deal with mounting the reservoir...
Contact Mike at Touge Factory on pricing. MSRP is "suggested" but not "actual" lol.
It doesn't look like the AL comes in the SSD [yet], with the heavier dampening (14/14), they are 10/10 (which is honestly likely enough for street tires and more than occasional track usage.
I'd also contact Evo-L to ask about the BCs if you're interested. He's a good guy to talk about these things and he sells a ton of BCs.
Thanks for all of your help.
Sep 8, 2008, 09:51 AM
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10k/10k spring rate on the AL+ Pro is very smooth on the Evo X.
Not bad at all on the street with the setting on the softer side.
Seeing that you live in the East coast... AL+ would be a nice choice.
FULL ALUMINUM.
But they don't use salt...so, not too bad.
Not bad at all on the street with the setting on the softer side.
Seeing that you live in the East coast... AL+ would be a nice choice.
FULL ALUMINUM.
But they don't use salt...so, not too bad.
