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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 07:51 AM
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Sorry, but I don't think the C6 Z06, the Viper SRT-10, and the Ford GT are anything to be ashamed of. All three will trounce anything Japan has to offer.
all cars with huge engines...i'm sorry as well but i dont think it takes much to extract 60hp/liter from a engine.
or even 500hp from 8277cc v10.


what i do think is impressive is 140hp/litre from a 4 door, 2 litre, 4 cylinder.

for this reason i even respect honda(hate to say this) with their S2000 that has an amazing 120hp/liter from a 2000cc naturally aspirated engine.

anyways this is kind of off topic and are purely my own views.
at the end though....believe me..if they offered the viper or the Z06 down here in RHD..i'd sure as hell buy one.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:26 AM
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The displacement vs. boost again

Originally Posted by 11secEVO7
all cars with huge engines...i'm sorry as well but i dont think it takes much to extract 60hp/liter from a engine.
or even 500hp from 8277cc v10.


what i do think is impressive is 140hp/litre from a 4 door, 2 litre, 4 cylinder.

for this reason i even respect honda(hate to say this) with their S2000 that has an amazing 120hp/liter from a 2000cc naturally aspirated engine.

anyways this is kind of off topic and are purely my own views.
at the end though....believe me..if they offered the viper or the Z06 down here in RHD..i'd sure as hell buy one.
You know, I really hate when people bring up the specific output arguement of an engine as the definition of "How well engineered" it is. It is true, that in general it is more difficult to produce power from a smaller displacement engine than from a larger one, but there's much more to the performance of an engine than power vs. displacement ratio.


Engines are really simple, air in = power out. There are many different methods to achieve power around this simple law. Displacement, Engine Speed and Boost are all just variables an engineer can play with. More valves and hotter cams is NOT always a better way of playing this game than more cubes. Also, all forced induction (turbos, Superchargers) are forms of mimicking displacement in a smaller engine. A 2 liter running 14PSI of boost is really a 4 litre engine at full boost rather than a 2 liter.

As for high-tech engineering.....lets see, the new 7 Litre Small-block V8 in the Z06 uses a dry sump lubrications system, weighs less than our 4g63's and has a center of mass about 2 inches off the floor of the car. It also has a similar rotating inertia to engine with HALF the number of cyclinders. I'd call some of that stuff pretty high-tech.

I love turbo'd engines as much as the next guy, but Please, don't come on here spreading misinformation like only small engines are well engineered.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 09:28 AM
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I dont have to pass any sort of epa or emisions in northern wisconsin. so what would i do to make mine match the brits 400 awhp. some one mentioned a bigger turbo i would prefer not to do that so that i dont sacrifice drivablity. I was goin to put a 3 inch turbo back w/no cat and tubo outlet. hks intercooler and piping, dc sports turbo manifold. mbc and and intake of some sort. oh yeah and a ecu flash of course what do you guys think that would lay down on a dyno.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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hmm....
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:26 AM
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All FQ series in the UK are grey market cars...
The real Evos' in the UK only make 260hp
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:30 AM
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inspection os an interesting topic...
In Germany, your car is inspected for rust (material integrity). Rust = FAIL.
I'm sure you all remember the Porsche 959 of the mid 80's... Why was it never imported? VWAG ag did not want to put 15mph bumpers on the car - ala the US decided they would not allow it... UNLESS, you paid a fortune to import an exotic.
There are Skylines, RS4s, XJ220s, 959s, etc on our roads (I spend a lot of time Greenwich, Ct - believe me I have seen them all), it comes down to the dollars...

How come FORD doesn't have the bad *** Euro-Contours here with AWD and Turbos?
Why doesn't FORD have Cosworth motors running around here like in Europe?

I'd blame economics, not the government... I do blame Bush, Cheney and Rice for making it appear so easy to blame the government though!
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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who cares we brush our teeth better than the brits
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 04lancerEsGuy
U.S. doesn’t want powerful imports to ruin their American made cars reputations so they will not allow any other import companies to produce such powerful cars and sell them in U.S. However, they can allow 1964 rustangs w/ 400 horses on the street because they are American made. When imports got that much power, it becomes street illegal and so called "dangerous" so in short f#@* american government because they are haters and that is why we don’t see any FQ EVOs in U.S.

+1billion and 150% agree...
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 04lancerEsGuy
U.S. doesn’t want powerful imports to ruin their American made cars reputations so they will not allow any other import companies to produce such powerful cars and sell them in U.S. However, they can allow 1964 rustangs w/ 400 horses on the street because they are American made. When imports got that much power, it becomes street illegal and so called "dangerous" so in short f#@* american government because they are haters and that is why we don’t see any FQ EVOs in U.S.
lol! just stop talking dude. do you know one of the best selling cars in america? isnt it the carolla? where does that come from? help me out here. and didnt you know theres more F-150s on the road then anything else. so if im a car company where do you think im going to put my money? probly a truck or SUV.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...703&q=top+gear

listen & watch. companys dont see a market for it.

and if you dont. ill quote a few lines

'theres more F series Fords on the road then Australians'
'they sell nearly 1 million a year'
'nearly 107 PER HOUR'
'and the PER HOUR is in NORTH AMERICA'

so yes, blame the government. OR IS IT THE CONSUMER?!!?!?!

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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by makaveli_31
You know, I really hate when people bring up the specific output arguement of an engine as the definition of "How well engineered" it is. It is true, that in general it is more difficult to produce power from a smaller displacement engine than from a larger one, but there's much more to the performance of an engine than power vs. displacement ratio.

Engines are really simple, air in = power out. There are many different methods to achieve power around this simple law. Displacement, Engine Speed and Boost are all just variables an engineer can play with. More valves and hotter cams is NOT always a better way of playing this game than more cubes. Also, all forced induction (turbos, Superchargers) are forms of mimicking displacement in a smaller engine. A 2 liter running 14PSI of boost is really a 4 litre engine at full boost rather than a 2 liter.

As for high-tech engineering.....lets see, the new 7 Litre Small-block V8 in the Z06 uses a dry sump lubrications system, weighs less than our 4g63's and has a center of mass about 2 inches off the floor of the car. It also has a similar rotating inertia to engine with HALF the number of cyclinders. I'd call some of that stuff pretty high-tech.

I love turbo'd engines as much as the next guy, but Please, don't come on here spreading misinformation like only small engines are well engineered.
it isnt misinformation...all that i stated are facts.
but it is also a fact that america loves huge engines...
and i respect your opinion, but however, i will still stick to mine as it is what i believe.
america has great engineers...the aftermarket for parts is amazing. It's what happens after the factory that i respect. Hell i buy all my parts for my evolution from the states. Plain and simple....in just 4 years or so of having the evo, the US already has quite a few into the 9's and 10's as compared to other countries around the world.
anyways i still believe that japanese power to weight and power output per liter are all better imo.
60hp/liter from a SRT-10..please. that is just sad. However, the potential that it has due to the aftermarket world in the states...priceless!
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowride
Sorry, but I don't think the C6 Z06, the Viper SRT-10, and the Ford GT are anything to be ashamed of. All three will trounce anything Japan has to offer.
Do you really believe that?

Japanese against other highend performance cars:
[ http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4890&q=skyline ]

After watching that, now what do you think?

-Nate
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by EVO-8-Nate
Do you really believe that?

Japanese against other highend performance cars:
[ http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4890&q=skyline ]

After watching that, now what do you think?

-Nate
stallownage. i actually have that dvd. im sure his excuse will be......well its faster in a straight line.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by blueo4
who needs a fq when we have AMS?
Pls do not compare the FQ to the AMS. The FQ Evo series in the UK are productions cars sold wioth warranty and stuff. AMS is a tuner shop, and Mitsu showrooms dont sell evos like Evo AMS400 and stuff. Simply like comparing us Autoplus to FQ Evos.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 02izzel
stallownage. i actually have that dvd. im sure his excuse will be......well its faster in a straight line.
We Americans at times are blinded by our need to be #1 and just say the first thing that comes to mind. Truth be told we have so much potential that we only use when it is absolutely needed, why not make something great just because.

The Japanese and Eurpoean car markets are better IMHO.

I actually hate mitubishi but the EVO is one of the best cars ever to be made. It just out performs the sum of its parts...

I trully wish that we would step it up and make an American car that could compare for the price.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by evodemon
All FQ series in the UK are grey market cars...
The real Evos' in the UK only make 260hp
The FQ cars were at Mitsubishi United Kingdom's site. im not sure if it is still there but take a look.
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