in my opinion, an safc is not worth it. if you really want one, get the apexi afc. it helps you at the higher boost levels, or so i hear.

 

Take for what you want. It works and works well. The numbers are on par with everything else out there. I am finishing up an EVO 9 w/30R as we speak so I am sure he will take it to the dyno.

 

9 with 30r using an safc? That's just awful.

Signalauto, did you mean avc-r? That's a boost controller - irrelevant to tuning. SAFC = AFC.

 

with ecuflash and evoscan buying a SAFC is the most pointless thing ever.


When will you california people realize the SAFC isn't the end all be all of ECU control.

 

We have used the Super AFC and got great results.
The car baselined at 260+ and ended up with around 330whp.
We got up to around 315 with boost controller alone and the AFC helped smooth
Out the graph and got us around 15 whp more. The car was running horribly rich.


I apologize for the picture of a graph Didn't have the scanner ready.

Our customer had the following mods.
Tanabe DP
Perrin Test Pipe
Espilar Exhaust System
DC Sports Manifold
Kazama Grounding / Voltage System
Injen Intake
Greddy Profec Type S Boost Controller ~ 22psi, 92 Oct.

BTW, this same Evolution trapped at a very fast 113mph.

We've dyno'd over 40 Unique Evolutions at Axiom Motorsports. Evolution IXs average a bit higher then 8s, with most of them putting down 260whp on our Dynapack Dyno. With Super AFC and Boost Controllers we are able to extract an Avg of 310whp on stock turbo Evo IXs with Intakes and TBEs.

We also have an Evolution IX with Nitrous and it put down 390+whp. With the Super AFC we were able to lean out the AFRs since the wet kit was running very rich. We were able to extract an addtional 30whp ending up with 430+whp with the 75 shot zex nitrous system.

Super AFC might not be the best choice for some, but for others, it seems to work out just fine. We have had great results with a Super AFCs.
Another cool thing about the Super AFC is that you can adjust your fuel map on the fly. Which is convienent. You can have as many "maps" as you want, as long as you just write them down and re-input your data. Only takes a minute or so.

 

It has always worked fine, but it's not as good as a flash. It has no control over timing NOR the MIVEC, and for each of those IXs you let use an SAFC, they will need a new wiring harness in the future. It's dangerous to rely on an SAFC to tune for nitrous, because timing is so important, and you can't directly control timing. Likewise, 310whp on those mods on average is very weak compared to flashes.

 

We've had Vishnu come to our shop and had dyno'd many dynoflash cars.
They put out similar hp on our dyno with the same mods. So maybe in your area 330whp is weak compared to flashes, but in our area and on OUR dyno, its pretty good. Especially considering that Vishnu and Dynoflashs are considered the best in reflashing respectively.

Overall, I agree that the Ecuflash is much better, but at the same time. Not everyone has knowledge to do it, tune the mivec, a labtop, wideband, ect.
There are times when the Super AFC is better, and there are times when the Ecuflash is better, its up to the person to utilize what is best for them.

 

so your DIDNT even know if it would work yet you still baught this expensive piece of electriclal equiptment

 

If its one thing I've seen from SAFC tuned Evo's, they put down decent whp, but they really lack in torque department.

 

It just makes no sense to me to splice into a brand new cars wiring harness to tune when you have the option of plugging in a cable and extracting at least as much power.

 

S-AFC works plain and simple. If that is what we like then fine. If another tuner likes the flash then fine. Use what your tuner recommends as that is what you will get the best results from. To say one system doesn't work in just plain stupid.

 

+1 for flash

 

Ok, RNR, keep telling people to use SAFCs. When they learn the truth about how much better a flash is, they will be very angry.

Axiom dude, you said 310whp was average, not 330whp. 330whp was the BEST one you mentioned, which is about average for a mail-in flash (not custom tuned). People get as high as 350-360whp on custom flashes with just a tbe and mbc. The SAFC is NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD. It is never the best option, because even if you don't know how to tune yourself, or the shop you go to doesn't know how to use flashing software (i.e. RNR or Axiom), you can get the cable, software, e-flash, and evoscan, for a grand total of.....a whopping $155. Compare that to purchasing an SAFC, SPLICING YOUR ECU WIRES (I can't believe people are doing this and shops are RECOMMENDING IT), making less HP, less torque, having no MIVEC control, no launch control, stock rev limit, stock fuel cut, no idle control, etc etc...

I cannot see how anyone can justify the statement that the SAFC is a good tool to use on a IX considering the alternatives. It's very disappointing that there are shops out there steering customers in that direction for their own profit instead of steering customers to what is best for their car. I guess that's business, eh?

 

+1..just get a flash and the hp and be happy with it

 

We like the S-AFC plain and simple. If we are getting a car flashed we just take it to Alfred at TT and put it on the dyno. This is how we do things and have been very successful at it. We must be doing a lot right as we have more business than ever before. We can't hardly keep up with it and keep growing and growing.