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Old May 20, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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I would stick with the red personally. Do that GSC S2 cams, 1050+ injectors walboro 255 maybe a better flowing intercooler buschur, ams, ets.. You'll hit your goal easy with room to grow. You'll get tired/used to 400 and want more, trust me. I said if I got over 300 and hit 12s I'd be a happy camper.. Well got that goal now I wanted 400+ and 11s.. We'll see how long that last I for see meth in my future ;P
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Old May 21, 2010 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
TOO REAL PLAYER dont scare him off
I know but I have a problem with others saying "buy this turbo because this other car made x with it" without mentioning the other car is fully built. That's why I suggest getting a little more turbo than you need so that you have a much better shot at getting your goal.

400 with a green can happen but it's a stretch, 400 with a red, no problem usually. I'm all about keeping goals realistic so that my customers aren't disappointed.

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Old May 21, 2010 | 06:37 AM
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^ good advise. good business practice
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Old May 21, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
I know but I have a problem with others saying "buy this turbo because this other car made x with it" without mentioning the other car is fully built. That's why I suggest getting a little more turbo than you need so that you have a much better shot at getting your goal.

400 with a green can happen but it's a stretch, 400 with a red, no problem usually. I'm all about keeping goals realistic so that my customers aren't disappointed.
I have been seeing the new HTA Green posting much larger # than the old style Green. With the old green I would agree with you, the HTA I would think could get him there no problem. Do you think 400whp would be a stretch with the new Green turbo?
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Old May 21, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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I had them all from stock to the red and the new black if i had to choose from the bunch red was the winner ..If i had to do it all over and choose a turbo for a street monster then I would have got the hta green with e 85 and call it a day..

Don't waste your money on the black cause at that level your better off spending your money on a t3 setup cause the black is almost as laggy and would never make the power of a t3 unless you really max it out and then your putting the turbo on it's death bed..lol..
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Old May 21, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tdubbz
I have been seeing the new HTA Green posting much larger # than the old style Green. With the old green I would agree with you, the HTA I would think could get him there no problem. Do you think 400whp would be a stretch with the new Green turbo?
I think the turbo itself is absolutely capable but it also hinges on the supporting mods/octane/health of the engine etc...

for example, I have one customer on the HTA green making 400 and another on the older green making 420+ and 450+ in the winter months. (all on 93 octane)
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Old May 21, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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having gone from green to red to black myself, once piece of advice i have is that if u go even to a red, or black and are pushing 415-450 tq+ please build your bottom end first.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by shh!! sleeping
To run an upgraded turbo like the red and black you need

FMIC, UIC, LIC, 3" DP & CB, preferably a TP and 02 housing, 1000+cc injectors, wali 255lp fuel pump, head studs, cams would be a good idea but not necessarily needed 272's or bigger (make sure they have greater lift then stock cams), Twin Disc Clutch and a good tune.
My signature agrees with you.

Had my car tuned on a Red for a week now. I'd honestly say don't forget about the BBK. A lot of people seem to like that turbo for daily driving. Red gives me exactly what I wanted. I didn't want the power tapering off at the top end. It has a noticeable lag over stock turbo, but once it pulls it doesn't stop and continues to pull harder throughout the top end. Guaranteed if you have the right setup you'll laugh your *** off.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 06:46 PM
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the red would be the best bet i believe since i've seen many many many cars make 400 with ease and not sacrifice too much spool up. If he has the desire to go a bit faster he can also as opposed to the green. I wont hate on the green, but dont hate on the red. But the black is inappropriate. It's meant for high boost applications and built motors would benefit most from the upper psi.

rockman,
sup yo. i ordered more parts, maybe my closet can get fast like yours lol!
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Old May 21, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Broham
the red would be the best bet i believe since i've seen many many many cars make 400 with ease and not sacrifice too much spool up. If he has the desire to go a bit faster he can also as opposed to the green. I wont hate on the green, but dont hate on the red. But the black is inappropriate. It's meant for high boost applications and built motors would benefit most from the upper psi.

rockman,
sup yo. i ordered more parts, maybe my closet can get fast like yours lol!
closet. LOL are you actually attempting to take my record from me. Good luck with that buddy lol i hope you have the will power to hold off on installing lots and lots of parts like i did haaa. Whats the new parts you ordered??? I HOPE IT INCLUDES A BUILT HEAD OR SHORTBLOCK
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Old May 21, 2010 | 08:30 PM
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Wow, great info in here. We were just having a debate on these turbos a few hours ago.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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When did you start having problems? I am currently getting ready to upgrade to an FP black. I will be running mostly on 93, but occasionally I'll be using a race gas map w/ race fuel. I know it can't last too long.

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Old May 21, 2010 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. SS
having gone from green to red to black myself, once piece of advice i have is that if u go even to a red, or black and are pushing 415-450 tq+ please build your bottom end first.
When did you start having problems? I am currently getting ready to upgrade to an FP black. I will be running mostly on 93, but occasionally I'll be using a race gas map w/ race fuel. I know it can't last too long.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bullet_1
When did you start having problems? I am currently getting ready to upgrade to an FP black. I will be running mostly on 93, but occasionally I'll be using a race gas map w/ race fuel. I know it can't last too long.
the turbos have a warranty and and on top of that if the warranty period is over i have heard of fp still fixing them for a small fee of 500 or so. Its cool man all the fp turbos are built right but like anything if your in boost all the time and hitting it hard all the time its going to wear down like any turbo.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
400 with a green can happen but it's a stretch, 400 with a red, no problem usually. I'm all about keeping goals realistic so that my customers aren't disappointed.
Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
I think the turbo itself is absolutely capable but it also hinges on the supporting mods/octane/health of the engine etc...

for example, I have one customer on the HTA green making 400 and another on the older green making 420+ and 450+ in the winter months. (all on 93 octane)
400 on a Green is a very realistic goal. I was at 450hp/425tq on a Mustang dyno on the stock bottom end. The timing was high and not something I used every day. This was also on E-85. I have since upped the boost, added the double pumper and built the motor. Now I am at 500/500 on a dyno dynamics. I really think the market for the Red is going to shrink. Once you get good money into a setup for the Green you can build it up all the way to the mid 500's (my goal), you just have to make sure you have the setup to sustain it, as you said. ECU boost is set at 36 psi on E-85 now, could go higher, but I am more than happy now. With the amount of torque that it puts down so early in the RPM band it spells disaster for stock rods. I-beams and decent pistons and you will have some serious fun with that insta-boost. Oh, and I was at 400hp on 93 octane on the MD before and around 450ish on the DD now. Just in case E-85 isn't an option for the OP.

Originally Posted by tdubbz
I have been seeing the new HTA Green posting much larger # than the old style Green. With the old green I would agree with you, the HTA I would think could get him there no problem. Do you think 400whp would be a stretch with the new Green turbo?
Yes, very attainable. Just be prepared to either build it, or fix what you broke when you start to turn the boost up to kill mode. Get a good suspension setup would also be a recommendation of mine, once that boost hits, it rips your face off and she goes wild...
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