Evo 9 MR - stick shift?
People need to stop spreading false information. There are tons upon tons of 6 speeds out there without a single issue that are taking more abuse than I have dished out onto mine.
Kreeker - That last picture you posted was of an STi with Evo seats
I'll start off by saying Evo IX > Evo X if you want the raw feeling of a rally car.
I would say the hardest part for you is actually being able to get an Evo IX in Canada. We all know these were never sold here and most of the ones dealerships brought over were beat up to hell and back (there are some threads on this). Also the IX's in particular are already scarce as it is in the US, if you look at the marketplace on these forums you can see for yourself.
Your best bet is to find a nice GSR/RS if you are looking to modify it in the US and import it yourself into Canada. Keep checking the forums as most guys on here take good care of their Evos and are legit about their ads and what they have done to their car.
I recently posted a IX GSR SE for sale for a fellow Evom member in Ontario a month ago. It sold in a week or so, and was a steal at the mid 20's, which is what it would sell for in the US right about now.
Good luck!
I would say the hardest part for you is actually being able to get an Evo IX in Canada. We all know these were never sold here and most of the ones dealerships brought over were beat up to hell and back (there are some threads on this). Also the IX's in particular are already scarce as it is in the US, if you look at the marketplace on these forums you can see for yourself.
Your best bet is to find a nice GSR/RS if you are looking to modify it in the US and import it yourself into Canada. Keep checking the forums as most guys on here take good care of their Evos and are legit about their ads and what they have done to their car.
I recently posted a IX GSR SE for sale for a fellow Evom member in Ontario a month ago. It sold in a week or so, and was a steal at the mid 20's, which is what it would sell for in the US right about now.
Good luck!
IMO the cloth seats in the MR are nicer than the leather. Leather gets stretched out and cracked looking, espeically with the 9s being more than 6 years old now. Plus the cloth doesn't get as hot/cold during the summer/winter, you slide around less on it. It's not like it's top of the line leather anyways. Plus, the inserts in the middle of the seats are alcantra.
From post: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ne...eply&p=3437271
So I agree with you on the 4th gear part. However it still brings up the main question here, is that the 6 speed is weaker due to the fact of putting in an extra gear in the 6 speed within the same amount of space as a 5 speed tranny case.
You're also talking about heat dissipation issues with the 6 speed due to it not being able to hold as much transmission oil as a 5 speed. Approximately 0.70 quarts less, (2.3 quarts for 6 speed, 3 quarts for 5 speed) which contributes to overheating issues when you deal with high load cases such as tracking or autocross.
The topic has pretty much been beaten to death, however it comes down to the driving style of the individual, maintenance and environment to when a transmission breaks, regardless of 5 or 6 speed.
But generically speaking, the 6 speed is weaker.
But I'm pretty sure for some individuals who have been on the forums for an 'extended period' of time would have known that already.
Here is the best info I can find, I would love to know if the gears are made from the same material though.....
WRXtoEVO, you clearly are looking for answers and just about everyone on this forum can appreciate that. However, you may want to try being a little more diplomatic and lighten your words up by using some humor.
First off, some brief history for those who care to know.
I grew up with a dad who always brought back more junk from the city dump then he took there in the first place. He was always bringing home something that didn't work and would fix it. I was 8 years old when I rebuilt my first lawn mower engine. I vividly remember carrying a Briggs & Stratton engine in for Monday show & tell and having my mom come pick the thing up from the principal’s office. I rebuilt my first transmission when I was 10. My dad brought home a 74 Rupp motorcycle that had a bad shift drum. Anyway I have been rebuilding transmissions for many years, ranging from garden tractors to dirtbikes. In 85 when I got my driver's license I broke teeth off of 2nd gear in my old man's 79 Plymouth Champ and that's when I got hooked on Mitsubishi. How do you break teeth off of 2nd gear? The same way you snap axles and destroy clutches, lots of abusive driving. This kept the garage full and my dad raising hell from the time I was 10 until I left for college. Are you bored yet? Me too.
Now let's talk about the 5 & 6 speed transmissions found in the EVO.
The 5 speed designed & built by Mitsubishi while 6 speed is designed & built by Aisin. You probably already knew that because you own an MR and I'm sure you know the gear ratios so I won't bother you with stuff you already know.
Looking at underside photos of both transmissions one would immediately assume the 6 speed was built like a brick **** house but don’t judge the book by the cover.
Like I said earlier in this thread the shaft center spacing the 5 speed input shaft & output shaft are roughly 10mm further apart than the 6 speed. This may not sound like much but anytime you increase the shaft spacing you greatly reduce the amount of force on the teeth. However the final drive on the 6 speed is a 4.85 whereas the 5 speed is a 4.53 so there is a little more torque multiplication going on there which probably makes up for the shaft center spacing.
Here are the gear width measurements for the 5 speed.
1st = 14mm
2nd = 17mm
3rd = 19mm
4th = 18mm
5th = 18mm
Summary: Be CAREFUL when launching the car. I rarely see any breakage problems with the 5 speed other than 1st gear, it is possible to crack the teeth on the input shaft or lay the teeth over on 1st gear. For some unknown reason people tend to think that manual transmissions are immune to gear breakage from dumping the clutch yet it is common knowledge that you don't rev up an automatic in neutral and put it into Drive. The fact is you will, over time, fatigue a wheelbarrow's worth of drivetrain parts if you launch any car abusively.
Now here are the gear width measurements from the 6 speed.
1st = 19mm
2nd = 19mm
3rd = 16mm
4th = 14mm
5th = 14mm
6th = 14mm
Summary: 1st-3rd are very stout and shouldn't give you much of a problem but I'd be careful in 4th-6th. The tooth profiles on 4th-6th is dainty making for a quiet transmission. For the record the DSM 4th gear is 15mm and it's known to eventually give up the ghost, especially if you are making over 700whp so I'm skeptical about the 6 speed. In this business it's good to be skeptical. It doesn't mean that you don't agree with somone's findings, it only means that you've been doing it long enough to know that most of what you've read on the internet has a signal to noise ratio of an old short wave radio on a hot summer day. In time I will have more data on both of these transmissions and I'll happily share my findings.
As for the final drive gears the 6 speed is incredibly stout yet I rarely see the teeth on the 5 speed have any problems. The fuel economy of the 6 speed can be attributed to the 4% taller 6th gear and the narrow gear teeth yet with the CEL tune of my MR I can barely manage 24mpg on the highway.
The synchronizers on either transmission are pretty good and with a properly adjusted clutch one shouldn't have too much of a problem with them but if you are shifting it fast as you can there will come a day when it may not shift as good as it used to. Contact me if you need help.
As for Teflon cables, thinner transmission oil and the other improvements they will help make for a nicer shifting transmission but this won’t improve the strength of the transmission. If this MR wasn't my first new car I'd have the 6 speed out and the 5 speed with drag gearing and never look back.
Jon@TRE
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WRXtoEVO, you clearly are looking for answers and just about everyone on this forum can appreciate that. However, you may want to try being a little more diplomatic and lighten your words up by using some humor.
First off, some brief history for those who care to know.
I grew up with a dad who always brought back more junk from the city dump then he took there in the first place. He was always bringing home something that didn't work and would fix it. I was 8 years old when I rebuilt my first lawn mower engine. I vividly remember carrying a Briggs & Stratton engine in for Monday show & tell and having my mom come pick the thing up from the principal’s office. I rebuilt my first transmission when I was 10. My dad brought home a 74 Rupp motorcycle that had a bad shift drum. Anyway I have been rebuilding transmissions for many years, ranging from garden tractors to dirtbikes. In 85 when I got my driver's license I broke teeth off of 2nd gear in my old man's 79 Plymouth Champ and that's when I got hooked on Mitsubishi. How do you break teeth off of 2nd gear? The same way you snap axles and destroy clutches, lots of abusive driving. This kept the garage full and my dad raising hell from the time I was 10 until I left for college. Are you bored yet? Me too.
Now let's talk about the 5 & 6 speed transmissions found in the EVO.
The 5 speed designed & built by Mitsubishi while 6 speed is designed & built by Aisin. You probably already knew that because you own an MR and I'm sure you know the gear ratios so I won't bother you with stuff you already know.
Looking at underside photos of both transmissions one would immediately assume the 6 speed was built like a brick **** house but don’t judge the book by the cover.
Like I said earlier in this thread the shaft center spacing the 5 speed input shaft & output shaft are roughly 10mm further apart than the 6 speed. This may not sound like much but anytime you increase the shaft spacing you greatly reduce the amount of force on the teeth. However the final drive on the 6 speed is a 4.85 whereas the 5 speed is a 4.53 so there is a little more torque multiplication going on there which probably makes up for the shaft center spacing.
Here are the gear width measurements for the 5 speed.
1st = 14mm
2nd = 17mm
3rd = 19mm
4th = 18mm
5th = 18mm
Summary: Be CAREFUL when launching the car. I rarely see any breakage problems with the 5 speed other than 1st gear, it is possible to crack the teeth on the input shaft or lay the teeth over on 1st gear. For some unknown reason people tend to think that manual transmissions are immune to gear breakage from dumping the clutch yet it is common knowledge that you don't rev up an automatic in neutral and put it into Drive. The fact is you will, over time, fatigue a wheelbarrow's worth of drivetrain parts if you launch any car abusively.
Now here are the gear width measurements from the 6 speed.
1st = 19mm
2nd = 19mm
3rd = 16mm
4th = 14mm
5th = 14mm
6th = 14mm
Summary: 1st-3rd are very stout and shouldn't give you much of a problem but I'd be careful in 4th-6th. The tooth profiles on 4th-6th is dainty making for a quiet transmission. For the record the DSM 4th gear is 15mm and it's known to eventually give up the ghost, especially if you are making over 700whp so I'm skeptical about the 6 speed. In this business it's good to be skeptical. It doesn't mean that you don't agree with somone's findings, it only means that you've been doing it long enough to know that most of what you've read on the internet has a signal to noise ratio of an old short wave radio on a hot summer day. In time I will have more data on both of these transmissions and I'll happily share my findings.
As for the final drive gears the 6 speed is incredibly stout yet I rarely see the teeth on the 5 speed have any problems. The fuel economy of the 6 speed can be attributed to the 4% taller 6th gear and the narrow gear teeth yet with the CEL tune of my MR I can barely manage 24mpg on the highway.
The synchronizers on either transmission are pretty good and with a properly adjusted clutch one shouldn't have too much of a problem with them but if you are shifting it fast as you can there will come a day when it may not shift as good as it used to. Contact me if you need help.
As for Teflon cables, thinner transmission oil and the other improvements they will help make for a nicer shifting transmission but this won’t improve the strength of the transmission. If this MR wasn't my first new car I'd have the 6 speed out and the 5 speed with drag gearing and never look back.
Jon@TRE
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You're also talking about heat dissipation issues with the 6 speed due to it not being able to hold as much transmission oil as a 5 speed. Approximately 0.70 quarts less, (2.3 quarts for 6 speed, 3 quarts for 5 speed) which contributes to overheating issues when you deal with high load cases such as tracking or autocross.
The topic has pretty much been beaten to death, however it comes down to the driving style of the individual, maintenance and environment to when a transmission breaks, regardless of 5 or 6 speed.
But generically speaking, the 6 speed is weaker.
But I'm pretty sure for some individuals who have been on the forums for an 'extended period' of time would have known that already.
Last edited by AznEvoIX; Aug 30, 2012 at 07:49 PM.
I think you are taking what I'm saying out of context, or you didn't read my whole post. I had an insinuation about the 2nd gear due to many people in the past complaining about 2nd gear and just reading to many darn posts out of it. But quoting myself, I also stated that:
Its a guess, but 2nd gear got beat to death by Evo owners.
You made it as if I stated it was a fact, when I did not.
Please read the whole post and understand the difference between an insinuation/educated guess and an actual stated fact, Evo8426.
I also posted that the 6 speed *is GENERALLY weaker* and thats what the OP wanted. And that my friend, is a general FACT.
And to the OP, I'm pretty sure you know you way around the interwebs. All information on Evos are at your fingertips. Do you own research and pick your Evo! Good luck and congratulations!
You made it as if I stated it was a fact, when I did not.
Please read the whole post and understand the difference between an insinuation/educated guess and an actual stated fact, Evo8426.
I also posted that the 6 speed *is GENERALLY weaker* and thats what the OP wanted. And that my friend, is a general FACT.
And to the OP, I'm pretty sure you know you way around the interwebs. All information on Evos are at your fingertips. Do you own research and pick your Evo! Good luck and congratulations!
Last edited by AznEvoIX; Aug 31, 2012 at 01:57 AM.
You don't have to be a douche, AznEvoIX. I did READ your whole post maybe you need to read MY post and understand that I said it was a first I have ever heard of 2nd gear being a problem.
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I'll start off by saying Evo IX > Evo X if you want the raw feeling of a rally car.
I would say the hardest part for you is actually being able to get an Evo IX in Canada. We all know these were never sold here and most of the ones dealerships brought over were beat up to hell and back (there are some threads on this). Also the IX's in particular are already scarce as it is in the US, if you look at the marketplace on these forums you can see for yourself.
Your best bet is to find a nice GSR/RS if you are looking to modify it in the US and import it yourself into Canada. Keep checking the forums as most guys on here take good care of their Evos and are legit about their ads and what they have done to their car.
I recently posted a IX GSR SE for sale for a fellow Evom member in Ontario a month ago. It sold in a week or so, and was a steal at the mid 20's, which is what it would sell for in the US right about now.
Good luck!
I would say the hardest part for you is actually being able to get an Evo IX in Canada. We all know these were never sold here and most of the ones dealerships brought over were beat up to hell and back (there are some threads on this). Also the IX's in particular are already scarce as it is in the US, if you look at the marketplace on these forums you can see for yourself.
Your best bet is to find a nice GSR/RS if you are looking to modify it in the US and import it yourself into Canada. Keep checking the forums as most guys on here take good care of their Evos and are legit about their ads and what they have done to their car.
I recently posted a IX GSR SE for sale for a fellow Evom member in Ontario a month ago. It sold in a week or so, and was a steal at the mid 20's, which is what it would sell for in the US right about now.
Good luck!
) the IX evo wasn't available in Canada. I had already planned on buying one in the US and bringing it back anyway, same thing I did with my M3. And color? Rally Red
The Evo 8/9's were never sold in Canada due to the strict bumper laws we had previously (this affected the GTO, MR2 Spyder and a few other cars from being sold in Canada as well). The ban was lifted around 4 years ago, and a few dealers and people began importing them over. The only problem, the ones they found for cheap and imported over were beat up to hell and back.
Now that the market is a bit hotter for these cars due to the fact the X was sort of a disappointment to avid Evo/Rally fans (not to knock it, it still is a great car). The price of Evo 8/9's have either remained the same as they were 4 years ago or even more.
Common colors I found which were attainable were the wicked white, tarmac black, apex silver. There are a few rally reds out there, and available in MR, RS and GSR trims, I don't recall ever seeing an SE or SSL rally red.
Keep us posted and good luck on your search. Don't forget the Evo 8's are great cars as well, you'll just have a different interior, turbo and no mivec/some acd. Also they will be considerably cheaper to attain.
Few things: i have an MR SE (6speed, red stitched alcantara/leather, HIDs , all the goodies)
The MRs come with bilstein shocks aluminum roofs and 6 speeds. You cannot get an MR with a sunroof as the roof is alluminum (you can tell an aluminum roof by the ridges on the sides)
The MRs come with bilstein shocks aluminum roofs and 6 speeds. You cannot get an MR with a sunroof as the roof is alluminum (you can tell an aluminum roof by the ridges on the sides)
Few things: i have an MR SE (6speed, red stitched alcantara/leather, HIDs , all the goodies)
The MRs come with bilstein shocks aluminum roofs and 6 speeds. You cannot get an MR with a sunroof as the roof is alluminum (you can tell an aluminum roof by the ridges on the sides)
The MRs come with bilstein shocks aluminum roofs and 6 speeds. You cannot get an MR with a sunroof as the roof is alluminum (you can tell an aluminum roof by the ridges on the sides)
An Evo is a far cry from a luxurious car. If you want something comfortable to get you to work everyday that only requires you do fill up the tank and change the oil...I highly suggest looking somewhere else. If you want a racecar and you enjoy learning/problem solving/making things perform better than before..go for the Evo!
Personally, I wouldn't spend the extra money on an IX. There is a substantial price difference for a car that doesn't have a substantial amount of upgrades.
-Front bumper cover
-MIVEC (no advantage compared to VIII if you plan to mod the car)
-ACD (usually fails..a lot of people prefer a mechanical diff)
-Nicer seats
-Better stock turbo
Moral of the story is get an IX if you are looking for bragging rights and plan on basic bolt on mods. Get a VIII if you don't care about "brand names" and are willing to spend a little time under the hood to make it outperform the IX.
Personally, I wouldn't spend the extra money on an IX. There is a substantial price difference for a car that doesn't have a substantial amount of upgrades.
-Front bumper cover
-MIVEC (no advantage compared to VIII if you plan to mod the car)
-ACD (usually fails..a lot of people prefer a mechanical diff)
-Nicer seats
-Better stock turbo
Moral of the story is get an IX if you are looking for bragging rights and plan on basic bolt on mods. Get a VIII if you don't care about "brand names" and are willing to spend a little time under the hood to make it outperform the IX.