Overall, Mitsubishi is pretty smart for their MSRP
i don't see why 450 whp on stock internals is unattainable. it probably won't last forever, but you'd be surprised how much power you can push on a stock bottom end w/ c16 and a good engine management system like MoTeC. If you had enough airflow from a proper turbo and enough fuel it can happen.
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Originally Posted by EFIxMR
i don't see why 450 whp on stock internals is unattainable. it probably won't last forever, but you'd be surprised how much power you can push on a stock bottom end w/ c16 and a good engine management system like MoTeC. If you had enough airflow from a proper turbo and enough fuel it can happen.
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Well, just BC, race gas, turboback, intake, and some sort of fuel tuning device can get you over 400rwhp easily in Supra. However, manufacturers don't build cars like that. They just build cars that would be reliable in stock form. The fact is more than 90% of people don't mess with their cars. This doesn't apply to Evo crowd, but it does for all car owners, and that's what manufacturers go for. They are out to sell cars. Not make it easier for you to get 42095890125423hp out of. 
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Don't forget the DP.
I know Supras can produce kick ***, sick power. But not as cheaply as LancerOZ made it out to be. They are the premiere import car, and prices for parts can be up there. Remember, these cars were almost 50 grand six years ago. Compared to the 26-28 that can get you into a new Evo today. Follow this link:
http://www.suprastore.com/450hppackage.html
This package deal for $1500 and they promise they will get you 460 CRANK hp. With approx. 18% drivetrain loss, that should equate to around 377 whp. But then they show a couple of cars that do more, like one at 430whp. That's $1500. Not $100 for a MBC and a few gallons of race gas.
Still $1500 is a relative bargain to me. I have more then that in power mods in my car and I don't have anywhere near 430whp. But the cost of entry into a Supra is way higher then a DSM, and can be still even over a new Evo. Just $1500 into an Evo can get you a pretty kick *** car too. Maybe not a highway monster like a Supra, but a stoplight warrior or good autocrosser regardless.
I know Supras can produce kick ***, sick power. But not as cheaply as LancerOZ made it out to be. They are the premiere import car, and prices for parts can be up there. Remember, these cars were almost 50 grand six years ago. Compared to the 26-28 that can get you into a new Evo today. Follow this link:
http://www.suprastore.com/450hppackage.html
This package deal for $1500 and they promise they will get you 460 CRANK hp. With approx. 18% drivetrain loss, that should equate to around 377 whp. But then they show a couple of cars that do more, like one at 430whp. That's $1500. Not $100 for a MBC and a few gallons of race gas.
Still $1500 is a relative bargain to me. I have more then that in power mods in my car and I don't have anywhere near 430whp. But the cost of entry into a Supra is way higher then a DSM, and can be still even over a new Evo. Just $1500 into an Evo can get you a pretty kick *** car too. Maybe not a highway monster like a Supra, but a stoplight warrior or good autocrosser regardless.
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Originally Posted by EFIxMR
Admittedly, the MSRP on the MR is on the high side. But when you think carefully about it... Mitsubishi accomplishes some interesting things by doing so.
First off, it raises their public image. As much as some people complain about the price, people are buying them. People have been waiting with money in hand for months to get this car. There's really no other japanese car on the market with this type of demand. While $34,999 is undoubtably a lot of money, there's reports of people paying over MSRP by several thousands of dollars, so obviously this car is worth its MSRP to enough people. The MR is Mitsubishi's way to get people back into the showrooms and rekindle interest in Mitsubishi for 05'.
Secondly, to all the people whom the MR doesn't appeal to pricewise or featurewise, it makes the GSR an outstanding value when compared. It's really hard to argue the worthiness of the GSR's MSRP when the MR is $5000 more for slightly more performance.
Simply put it... Mitsubishi has no problem selling the MR for is MSRP even though it's slightly overpriced. The MR helps sell the GSR not only by bringing people into the showrooms, but also by providing percieved value.
When people are shopping, I don't know why they really necessarily need to compare the STi to the MR. A better comparison would be the STi and the GSR. They are both similar in performance, are regular mass produced vehicles, similar price, ect. And in that case the GSR wins hands down, no need to even compare it to an MR.
First off, it raises their public image. As much as some people complain about the price, people are buying them. People have been waiting with money in hand for months to get this car. There's really no other japanese car on the market with this type of demand. While $34,999 is undoubtably a lot of money, there's reports of people paying over MSRP by several thousands of dollars, so obviously this car is worth its MSRP to enough people. The MR is Mitsubishi's way to get people back into the showrooms and rekindle interest in Mitsubishi for 05'.
Secondly, to all the people whom the MR doesn't appeal to pricewise or featurewise, it makes the GSR an outstanding value when compared. It's really hard to argue the worthiness of the GSR's MSRP when the MR is $5000 more for slightly more performance.
Simply put it... Mitsubishi has no problem selling the MR for is MSRP even though it's slightly overpriced. The MR helps sell the GSR not only by bringing people into the showrooms, but also by providing percieved value.
When people are shopping, I don't know why they really necessarily need to compare the STi to the MR. A better comparison would be the STi and the GSR. They are both similar in performance, are regular mass produced vehicles, similar price, ect. And in that case the GSR wins hands down, no need to even compare it to an MR.
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I agree a lot with the part in EFIxMR's first post that talks about Mitsubishi using the MR to build hype for mitsubishi in `05.
If you think about Mitsubishi's reputation before the U.S. evolution, it was pretty crappy. Mitsu had killed it's GSX and GS-T, and mitsubishi was no longer a tuner favorite. Since the Evolution, Mitsubishi's good name in the U.S. has been recovered.
Mitsubishi's only failure is not pricing, but the design of the evo. The evo is already more tunable on the stock block/internals than the STi, but they should have taken it further. They should have really blown Subaru out of the water. They should have built the block, rods, pistons, injectors, etc, capable of producing 450+whp (Al-a Skyline style). Then mitsubishi should have kept the pricing very similar to current pricing, even if that meant they had to sell the cars at cost to dealership.
- Jason
If you think about Mitsubishi's reputation before the U.S. evolution, it was pretty crappy. Mitsu had killed it's GSX and GS-T, and mitsubishi was no longer a tuner favorite. Since the Evolution, Mitsubishi's good name in the U.S. has been recovered.
Mitsubishi's only failure is not pricing, but the design of the evo. The evo is already more tunable on the stock block/internals than the STi, but they should have taken it further. They should have really blown Subaru out of the water. They should have built the block, rods, pistons, injectors, etc, capable of producing 450+whp (Al-a Skyline style). Then mitsubishi should have kept the pricing very similar to current pricing, even if that meant they had to sell the cars at cost to dealership.
- Jason
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