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It's funny, because I see something very different. As for the Volvo, the X has stronger lines and a meaner look. Betwen the IX and the X, I feel the X is much more agressive looking.
The lines of the X's front fascia are more vertical and lean forward. If you ever look at someone in an agressive stance, they lean forward and stand taller.
The IX, on the other hand has softer, swept back lines. This looks more like a submissive posture to me; as if the car is trying to look smaller and less obtrusive.
Additionally, the headlights support the impressions in my mind. THe IX has very neutral shaped headlights. The 'brow' has a slight downward slant, but ultimately they look very noncommittal. The X on the other hand has headlights with a strongly angled brow which narrow towards the grill. This gives me a much more 'angry' impression from the X which I attribute to 'aggression'.
So you can see why when someone says the X doesn't look aggressive and IX does, it really confuses me because I see the exact opposite, and very clearly too.
The lines of the X's front fascia are more vertical and lean forward. If you ever look at someone in an agressive stance, they lean forward and stand taller.
The IX, on the other hand has softer, swept back lines. This looks more like a submissive posture to me; as if the car is trying to look smaller and less obtrusive.
Additionally, the headlights support the impressions in my mind. THe IX has very neutral shaped headlights. The 'brow' has a slight downward slant, but ultimately they look very noncommittal. The X on the other hand has headlights with a strongly angled brow which narrow towards the grill. This gives me a much more 'angry' impression from the X which I attribute to 'aggression'.
So you can see why when someone says the X doesn't look aggressive and IX does, it really confuses me because I see the exact opposite, and very clearly too.
What i think i was trying to say with my comparison is that the X are looking to civil(not a bad design), loosing a little bit of this unique EVO-look, and again, to close to Volvo S40 in the front, to close
It's funny, because I see something very different. As for the Volvo, the X has stronger lines and a meaner look. Betwen the IX and the X, I feel the X is much more agressive looking.
The lines of the X's front fascia are more vertical and lean forward. If you ever look at someone in an agressive stance, they lean forward and stand taller.
The IX, on the other hand has softer, swept back lines. This looks more like a submissive posture to me; as if the car is trying to look smaller and less obtrusive.
Additionally, the headlights support the impressions in my mind. The IX has very neutral shaped headlights. The 'brow' has a slight downward slant, but ultimately they look very noncommittal. The X on the other hand has headlights with a strongly angled brow which narrow towards the grill. This gives me a much more 'angry' impression from the X which I attribute to 'aggression'.
So you can see why when someone says the X doesn't look aggressive and IX does, it really confuses me because I see the exact opposite, and very clearly too.
The lines of the X's front fascia are more vertical and lean forward. If you ever look at someone in an agressive stance, they lean forward and stand taller.
The IX, on the other hand has softer, swept back lines. This looks more like a submissive posture to me; as if the car is trying to look smaller and less obtrusive.
Additionally, the headlights support the impressions in my mind. The IX has very neutral shaped headlights. The 'brow' has a slight downward slant, but ultimately they look very noncommittal. The X on the other hand has headlights with a strongly angled brow which narrow towards the grill. This gives me a much more 'angry' impression from the X which I attribute to 'aggression'.
So you can see why when someone says the X doesn't look aggressive and IX does, it really confuses me because I see the exact opposite, and very clearly too.
Also, on a side note, I actually have a masters degree in fluid mechanics and aerodynamics, but have chosen not to chime in on the 'brick' argument above as, without even seeing the new car in person and taking some comparison measurements with an VIII/IX, any response would be just as speculative.
X flows much better and looks like a proportional car. The IX is boxy with a mix of aggressive and tame parts. I would be confused if the evo's visual progression went from the X's appearance to the IX's, but from IX to X it seems like an improvement. That's purely subjective, and I definitely would drool at both to be honest.
And you believe "somehow, i ge tthe feeling that if i threw a brick into the air, it would be equally as aerodynamic as the evo xs....." is educated input?
If we're to look at this objectively let's consider a few points rather than making jabs at the X.
The IX and VIII require additional aerodynamics in the form of Vortex Generators to propoerly smooth the airflow over the roof so that the rear wing is fully effective. The X on the other hand, as is evidenced by the stripped-down X in the official video that was leaked, does not require Vortex Generators. This would indicate that the aerodynamics have actually improved.
We can also consider the influence that increasing restrictions on fuel economy have on design. As average speeds have increased, aerodynamics have had to improve to help achieve better mileage. Granted, the X isn't an ideal teardrop shape, but that's impractical. A car needs to be appealing, which the reviews and quite a few of those here agree the new Lancer is. With those thoughts in mind, it is very likely that ultimately the new Evo is infact more aerodynamic than you may initially think. Keep in mind, the F-117 Nighthawk flies.
That, I hope, qualifies as "educated input"
If we're to look at this objectively let's consider a few points rather than making jabs at the X.
The IX and VIII require additional aerodynamics in the form of Vortex Generators to propoerly smooth the airflow over the roof so that the rear wing is fully effective. The X on the other hand, as is evidenced by the stripped-down X in the official video that was leaked, does not require Vortex Generators. This would indicate that the aerodynamics have actually improved.
We can also consider the influence that increasing restrictions on fuel economy have on design. As average speeds have increased, aerodynamics have had to improve to help achieve better mileage. Granted, the X isn't an ideal teardrop shape, but that's impractical. A car needs to be appealing, which the reviews and quite a few of those here agree the new Lancer is. With those thoughts in mind, it is very likely that ultimately the new Evo is infact more aerodynamic than you may initially think. Keep in mind, the F-117 Nighthawk flies.
That, I hope, qualifies as "educated input"
As far as your point on the F117s, it is true that they fly. But they are built with a purpose, then it needed to fly, furthermore, working off of traditional aerodymanics and plane designs, the 117s would never have worked, it wasn't until new technology was utilized that allowed the 117 to fly properly. However, i don't think mits has found new ways to cut through the air with low drag co. materials and still keep the car under 40,000. YET. And the F117s fly, but they definately don't fly well in comparison to other jet propelled planes of equal size.
and since mits is clearly moving away from its rally evo heritage with this car, and producting it to fit better into the mainstream market and attract more consumers, like you stated about reviews an such, i would have expected it to be much more free flowing. Especially since its main purpose isn't to win rallys but to cruise down highways insteda. It seems as if Mits picked up on subaru's iconic robust look while the subys have fallen off to smoother lines softer curves.
provided the flat face of the evo x has a purpose to provide max surface area for the rad and ic, it could have done so without putting the smoother advancements mits has made with the 7,8,9s.
though i am interested to see under the hood how they dealt with guiding the air that the top portion of the nose will scoop up. I can see the vents on the hood, but the nose opening looks like it will take in much more air than the hood can vent out.
and as for you, I have one in engineering. and you? I never said i knew everything there is to know about aero. just stated an observation. maybe you should spend less time calling me out for something and maybe give some good input like Draco and the other guys. This isn't middle school, if you disagree with something then state your opinions, trying to bring down other people without giving any of your own input just makes you look childish.
Last edited by VtexGt3; Aug 1, 2007 at 11:01 PM.
the evo 8 and 9s are beautiful cars, imo. There's something about the outdated econobox look with the wing and hood vent....and the fact that there's a monster underneath that hood, it's just really cool I guess. I don't think there's one single design flaw on the evo 9, (exterior-wise)
with that said, the evo x has grown on me. It really has. And after the photoshop jobs I just saw a couple of posts up, my interest has gone up a bit more.
with that said, the evo x has grown on me. It really has. And after the photoshop jobs I just saw a couple of posts up, my interest has gone up a bit more.
all i have to say, plain and simple, for anyone who either totally doesnt like or has some specific gripes with how the new evo looks, MARK MY WORDS, you gonna want one REALLLLLL BADDDD no more than 2-3 months after it goes on sale.
GUARANTEEEED !!!!
GUARANTEEEED !!!!
More pictures :
On this website :
http://www.therallysite.com/index.ph...2343&Itemid=63
Sorry if it is a repost .
On this website :
http://www.therallysite.com/index.ph...2343&Itemid=63
Sorry if it is a repost .
Last edited by Mr. X; Aug 2, 2007 at 08:43 AM.
More pictures :
On this website :
http://www.therallysite.com/index.ph...2343&Itemid=63
Sorry if it is a repost .
On this website :
http://www.therallysite.com/index.ph...2343&Itemid=63
Sorry if it is a repost .
I can't wait!Observations:
These pics are of a LHD version. The passenger is holding on to the Chicken-Sh** handle on that turn.

The center portion of the grill has a grey bumper and chrome trim like the Production Pics. Maybe this is the USDM grill as evidenced by the differences in Lancer grills, or it might signify a different trimline than the flat black grill we've seen on some of the other Evos. I think we're going to have to wait until the Evo is actualy on sale to be sure, unless Mitsu brings both to the unveiling.
I'm still nervous about the rear bumper. All of the pictures so far have been of a thin rear bumper, wheras the USDM Lancer has a much thicker one. I'm praying we don't get a repeat of the 8 and 9 and ahve to go through the grey market for JDM bumpers to get that diffuser. Hopefully the switch from single exhaust to duals will neccessitate that the USDM gets the diffuser as well.
The biggest problem i have with the evo x is that there is really no big difference between the regular lancer, the back looks the same minus the wing and exhaust and same with the front, minus the intercooler. all ther other lancers have different head lights and tailights and the body is much more simple when you compare it to the VIII or IX,
it looks liek its ging the BMW/MERC/AUDI route. where the Ms, AMGs, and S/RSs look just like their non-high performance counterparts. I think it's trying to aim for a different crowd also, where the car is alot more calm and blends in better, at least to the rest of the lancer lineup



