When are new maps going to be available? I know the have a stock map and a TB map. I think TurboXS is kinda lacking on thier end.

 

The problem is that there are so many different cams, intakes, etc that people use.. They are probally taking their time creating some good maps, rather then put out junk maps and have people complain about them... I know Jermaine was already saying he was making some more base maps, for cam'd cars etc..

I would either get a real tune or wait for some quality base maps..

 

What do the letters that make up "UTEC" say?

 

How are they lacking, even if they do provide maps you still NEED to CHECK them with a wideband and fine tune them for YOUR car. YOu can do that at any given time at a dyno.

 

Yeah I'd have a hard time being comfortable just downloading a map and using it.. Thats just a formula for disaster, there's just too much variation in modifications and cars to think doing something like that would work..

Results would likely be a) a setup not optimized therefore not running as well as it could
b) setup too aggressive for your mods or fuel levels resulting in engine damage..

I'd much rather baseline my own car and tune from there.

 

I think it's great that Turbo-XS doesn't provide more maps. When I got my wideband in, ran it on map0 for a while and logged. Car pretty much ran too lean down low to 5500 and then too rich towards the redline. I immediately created a custom map. Then I looked at Turbo-XS map1 that came with 1.3 firmware and they even took away fuel which means my car would run like 20:1 AFR
Don't rely on other peoples maps!

 

I know that all Evo's are produced vary slightly. I thought the maps by Turboxs were in a way a starting point. I am still in the process debating weather to buy a UTEC or an AEM. I can get a new UTEC for $800 including the switch and just a little more with the tuner. But right now the UTEC seems like a glorified S-AFC with more options.

 

If you think the Utec is a glorified SAFC, you have no clue what the Utec can do. It is 10x more powerful than an AFC. It is more like an AEM except one thing the Utec can't do yet is run speed density. The Utec has one + on the AEM, it does not have ANY cold start problems and is VERY easy to setup and tune, heck i can set one up within 30 minutes. For the AEM You will need to do alot of reading as one mistake can Blow your engine.

 

Thats the only thing that bothers me about the AEM is the cold start problems everyone is starting to have. But on the other hand the UTEC doesn't support speed density hence keeping the MAS, correct?

 

I agree.. If you think the UTEC is just a glorified S-AFC you haven't done enough research on your options.. Or you've already made up your mind on what you want..

The UTEC is the only Piggyback setup that can bypass fuel cut, RPM limits, boost taper, without reflashing the stock ECU, PLUS it has absolute control over your fuel, timing, and boost, its alot like a standalone without the problems the standalones have... It doesnt have all the adjustability of a standalone, but it has the advantage of not having the setup time that a standalone might.. IN ADDITION it retains the factory ECU which means it will pass an OBD-II check (Assuming your mods don't trigger a CEL at the smog station)

 

Well see, that explains it in a nut shell, I am not out to be a dyno queen I just want very reliable HP. SMOG? My car is titled in a part of WI that doesn't need emissions. The luxury of owning 2 houses.

EDIT: I just want the best possible insight to what to do next, especially before I drop another 1k into this car (can somone cut me off?) I have driven in an EVO with a UTEC installed and was very impressed with the power, both cars were very similar in mods and his powerband just felt a lot smoother and well, more powerful than my dynoflash.

 

I use an aftermarket Blowthrough MAF (not offered by turboXS) in place of the stock MAf, although its not speed density, its nowhere near as restrictive as the stock MAF (though so far nobody has really exceeded the stock MAF, they have had issues with the MAF sensor misreading or clipping) Plus MAF is an actual measurement of air volume (and with the temp sensor also density) where Speed density is a calculation and is prone to some error since it has to "infer" the engine's fuel demands based on what it thinks its air requirements are.

the AEM EMS is the ultimate tool, there's also other standalones out there that work really well, I personally like the Hydra Nemesis (Not available yet because its not completely mapped) but unless your willing to spend the time having a shop configure it correctly, *AND* willing to learn a bit about it yourself, a standalone just isn't for everyone.

Another option for you if you don't plan on making frequent changes is to do all the mods you intend to do, and get a dyno tuned reflash.

 

See thats my whole problem, I tried to go 2 months without doing a sigle mod. To say the least I failed, I'm a junkie and an addict for mods. I can't help myself.

Back on topic, I have completely forgot about the blowthrough MAF. Who actually fabricates this?

 

Jack fabricated his (sort of DIY).
And for the maps, it's true that every car varies slightly but different mods can vary a lot and depending on your setup you can run very lean or slightly rich so someone elses map with similar (not same) mods might be way off for you.
Good luck with whatever you choose (AEM/UTEC/XEDE etc). I suggest doing a lot of reading if you plan on tuning yourself, there's plenty of threads on this board and if you decide to trust someone else with tuning it, still do a lot of reading
My $0.02

 

The MAF I used is by Pro-M with their Karmann converter, they also modified my Buschur Upper Intercooler pipe with a MAF in it, they will likely sell the buschur upper intercooler pipe kit and conversion as a complete kit.... It works, but is still "rough around the edges" and I'm working with them to resolve some very minor adjustment issues (basically because its designed for a 2G DSM and airflow seems to produce different output at higher RPM than it does on the DSM.. Its easy to resolve if you have adjustability though)

I also have a Ultimate Racing Upper intercooler pipe with another 3" blowthrough MAF on it that I was using for a short while.. I had to "tweak it" to work with the buschur elbow and short route.. But I still have that setup minus the intake air temp sensor that I put on my intake pipe sitting in my garage..