I am trying to tune a TSI turbo kit on an Oz with the eManage but, there is hesitation in the mid range and am not quite sure why. A/F is fine but, the ignition may be off some.

For those of you running the eManage what kind of ignition settings are you running?

 

Unfortunatly EngineerBoy doesn't browse the board as much as he used. He's had so many problems with his that he probably knows the answer to yours. Try sending him a pm to attract his attention to this thread. His username is now Alchemyst or something like that.

 

alchemist is the only one with any ignition tuning done to his emanage i believe... but he is N/A so i dont think it would help you much. If you run a search there are a few turbo guys using the emanage... u might want to try and find those old posts and shoot them pm

 

The problem is probably the TSI kit itself. It runs a different fuel setup with a 14:1 custom FMU I believe. Fuel pump and some injectors would probably be a better setup and a lot easier to tune with E-manage. The Problem with their unit is that it doesn't provide equal fuel pressure to the cylinders, you have too running richer than the other two (from what I've read.) It's a great kit to go from but I'd put the 180 bucks in on a Fuel pump (195 Walboro, you don't need a 255 although some may disagree) and Rx-7 High Impendance injectors.

 

I installed a Walbro 255 lph pump along with OEM WRX injectors and the fuel is fine per multiple runs as well as the PLX wideband. I believe I found the problem though with the timing. It needs a poop load more to compensate for the boost. We'll see.

 

Oh and by the way, the TSI kit is one of the worst kits I have ever installed on a customer car. Their fuel management solution is ridiculous. I HIGHLY DO NOT recommend their kits.

 

I heard E-manage doesn't work with Lancers...??? hmmmm???

 

Your correct!! The setup with the injectors and piggyback would be the better setup! But, as for the FMU, An FMU raises the fuel pressure for each injector. Therefore increasing fuel delivery very close to equal to each cyclinder. The only way i can see it starving the last two cyclinders is if your fuel pump cant keep up. Thats why with a FMU you need to upgrade your stock fuel pump. You may be a little confused with the auxiliary injector setup. They spray extra fuel into the intake air. The air is then disbursted to each cyclinder but depending on the mixer into the air all the cyclinder could get different amounts of extra fuel. This type of setup is the one that usually uses all the fuel up in the first two cyclinders and runs lean on the last two. Thats why you dont see a whole lot of ppl using the type.



""The TSI kit is not a bad kit!!"" I personally have installed the basic tsi on my 03 lancer and it worked out great. When you turbo these cars there is two routes you can go. A mild HP gain and mild boost approach or a "i want tons of hp out of my car approach! By doing the mild approach you can get away with using the FMU, stock injectors, and fuel pump upgrade for up to 7psi ! But, if you want to up the boost and get even a better tune then go the injector and piggyback way. Thats the best way anyways. Why do all the guys with the basic RRM kits have a FMU on their cars? They also have a piggyback but to help the tune! Look at the cost difference too. There is a difference of $2000.00. For a guy like you who sells these kits and wants to move cars to make money, these kits wont be good for you! The kit does require some mods and time. Time equals money in your field.

 

Ive been doing some research and it looks like the emange works on our cars but only past a certain throttle position when the ECU changes loops and doesnt use the O2 sensor and stops trying to correct the A/F ratio. Any other time the ECU will correct to a 13:1 ratio and correct over your settings. I believe the AFC controller ppl have the same problem.

Hopefully one of the guys who got the emange to work with chime in!!

 

I am using the emanage in my setup. Which consists of a Walbro 255 pump, fmu, and rx7 460cc injectors. Before i installed the injectors i could get a descent at all and the stock ecu would always seem to learn it. Now with the 460's and removing the extra fuel my car seems to run fine it gets plenty of fuel. Only problems s a small sacrafice in idle.

 

Seems to me like you would have to detune those injectors alot. Increasing the fuel pressure with a fmu and using 460cc injectors. COuldnt u take off the FMU?

 

What are ur A/F ratios?

 

"Only problems s a small sacrafice in idle."

how much is a "small sacrafice"

 

The emanage works fine on our cars... and you are correct it needs quite a bit more advanced timing even for N/A. I am not sure about boosted applications, how much have you advanced ignition to compensate?

 

i thought if boosted u should retard timing a little not advance