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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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Since you are using a fmu, the fuel pressure will increase with boost unlike if you just had a normal fpr that remains constant which you could see fuel pressure with the car just idling.

If you can dump the fmu and just tune the injectors, i would go that route personally. Just keep the a/f between 11.5 and 12:1 and you will be fine. Also, you may want to put back in a normal head gasket to bring the c/r back up since it will give you more power throughout the rpms since you arent out there running 20+ psi
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 09:31 AM
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i figured i needed it to raise the fuel pressure in the high rpms??? Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
I read in "theshortbus " build thread the he had trouble with the 440cc injectors with the fmu. Since it is boost sensitive wouldn't it make you run very rich under boost?
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cincy
Since you are using a fmu, the fuel pressure will increase with boost unlike if you just had a normal fpr that remains constant which you could see fuel pressure with the car just idling.

If you can dump the fmu and just tune the injectors, i would go that route personally. Just keep the a/f between 11.5 and 12:1 and you will be fine. Also, you may want to put back in a normal head gasket to bring the c/r back up since it will give you more power throughout the rpms since you arent out there running 20+ psi

well it is a daily driver so i wanted to be on the safe side with the lower compression ratio, even if it meant a loss in power...

as for getting rid of the fmu, you think i'll get enough fuel pressure to comp with the injectors with just the walbro and the ecu???
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cincy
Since you are using a fmu, the fuel pressure will increase with boost unlike if you just had a normal fpr that remains constant which you could see fuel pressure with the car just idling.

If you can dump the fmu and just tune the injectors, i would go that route personally. Just keep the a/f between 11.5 and 12:1 and you will be fine. Also, you may want to put back in a normal head gasket to bring the c/r back up since it will give you more power throughout the rpms since you arent out there running 20+ psi
Pretty agree. You are chasing fuel cause of the FMU. Either run less boost with FMU or run 550cc injectors and no FMU. Then tune from there.

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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 10:44 AM
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^ isn't the problem with running a fmu, an overly rich condition?? would the fmu make her run lean also?
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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You cant control the fmu as well as leaving the fp constant and tuning the injectors. Plus 550cc is way overkill for what you are running. People with vw/audi's are making 325+ with 440cc injectors @3bar (45psi) fp. If you ever need more, you can increase base fp to 3.5-4bar (440@4bar ~= 550cc@3bar)
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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okay so i rescaled the injectors and still have the same lean condition... so im gonna remove the fmu and try see where it will get me. i jus dont get how the same fuel pressure(stock) will be enough pressure to feed gthe 440s???
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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its not the fuel pressure that feeds the injectors, thats the pumps job. Changing the fp will change the rating of the injectors as i stated above.
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:08 PM
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the specs of 440cc injectors mean thats what they flow at ~45psi. but as far as your lean condition idk. i have stock injectors with a 12:1 fmu and its kinda exhibiting the same problem... it will reach 12.5 afr at about 7.5 to 8 psi of boost. but i have a stock engine with no airflow mods so it will overboost after about 5000rpm to 9-11 psi and cause it to lean out too much(13-13.5).
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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^ you need better boost control. What are you using?
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cincy
its not the fuel pressure that feeds the injectors, thats the pumps job. Changing the fp will change the rating of the injectors as i stated above.

oh ok. kinda had a brain fart there. fpr regulates fuel pressure seen at the rail. im gonna just run the stock fpr and see how it changes the afr then.... i should be okay as long as i dont boost too much right? cuz wont i be even leaner without the fmu?
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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I havent used the ecuflash. When i had my lancer it was basically rrm piggy or a fmu and i used the fmu. How does it let you control fuel, by rpms or just overall adjustments?
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cincy
^ you need better boost control. What are you using?
internal actuator with 8 psi spring.
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:22 PM
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can control fuel by injector scaling, latency, and also rpm vs. load tables...
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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oh yeah and i got a hallman mbc to control boost.....
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