So looking at this piggyback, it looks very versatile. I've read a few complaints about it throwing CELs but overall it looks like a decent computer. And its cost efficient. So I know I would probably be better off going with a standalone computer management system, but my question is, how much better?

 

It depends.

A standalone is a large investment. After that, you have a blank computer that does nothing. So then you pay for a wideband A/F guage. At that point you have 2 options:

1 - try to DIY the tuning, possibly melt your motor
2 - pay a guy a lot of money to tune your car for you

If you have the cash, the standalone is the best way to go. But here's what's more important: what are you doing with the car?

If you say you're just going to get an intake and a muffler, I'd say to grab the piggyback. Tuning a lightly-modified car is not going to make much power, so you'd be equally fine with the piggyback or the standalone.

If you say you're going to turbo your car, I'd say get the standalone. You can see huge gains tuning the car with boost.

Also, do be aware that you can buy software for the piggyback and get it tuned. It won't have as many features and options as the standalone, but it's still a great choice.

So I hope that helps you decide a bit.

 

if you don't know how standalone is better, then you shouldnt buy one. Standalone is serious buisness and i don't think someone asking about a piggyback throwing a cel has ny business buying one.

IMHO, i mean no disrespect.

 

There are some aftermarket EMSes that are semi user friendly. I have a friend working on his own car with a POwer FC and a datalogit on a 2ZZ and he says that it is "doable" ..... Depends on which EMS and how electronically inclined you are. Again, if you are not goign to exceed the limits of the stock ECU, no EMS necessary.

 

I dont plan on tuning the car myself. I plan on having a shop do the work. I just want to know which would be better in the long run, for the price. I think I do have business asking cause I want to learn and why don't you tell me why instead of telling me that I shouldnt ask about it.

 

As said before, what do you want to do with the car? Answer that and then people can help you more effectively.

 

The piggyback is BYFAR the most simple, effective and cost effective mod to do. my only suggestion is to have the cat replaced or have a whole cat back system not just the muffler before the piggyback is installed. it can melt your stock cat

 

Well, when I get my headers at the end of the month, I will no longer have a cat or its kitten on my car. The kitten already got hacked in December when I had my Flowmaster system put on. Header will replace the cat. I want straights. I want a car that when someone pulls up next to me on the freeway with their little stage 1 honda and want to mess with me cause they think its funny, to be able to destroy them. Cause I really am tired of it. I just want to know what the RRM piggyback will cover as far as tuning. I plan on changing cams and going turbo. Along with all the other basics. Will I be able to cover everything that I need to as far as tuning? Cause the way I see it, our cars really wont need to be tuned that extensively.

 

RRM's piggyback, to my knowledge, is a static piggyback ... meaning that it would have to be "adjusted" or reflashed every mod you get. They use the SPlit Second unit so you can read around on how those need to be retuned for each mod you do.

A more dynamic piggyback should serve your needs just fine. Something with good parameters like Emanage would be both beneficial NA and turbo, and would be able to accommodate cam work. Emanage should be fine.

If you really want to go overkill and get a full standalone, check with whichever shop ius tuning your car and see which one they are familiar working with. Around here in Orlando, there are some of the best Microtech tuners so that is the EMS of choice around here. When I was in Tampa, most of the DSMers were tending to AEM. So see what your shop is familiar with if you go this route. You dont want them experimenting on a new EMS on your car ...

 

I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but if you want a "street warrior", you bought the wrong car. With just a header, exhaust and intake your car won't be a demon even if you add a piggyback and other basic bolt ons. The piggyback will allow you to adjust A/F ratio (and timing if you get the upgrade) but it can't work miracles. If you're shooting for big horsepower (300+), you might be better off with a full standalone. The reason I say might is because so far the only two cars making that kind of power used full standalones but that doesn't mean it can't be done using a piggyback.

 

this car naturaly aspirated is a SNAIL, it is not fast whatsoever with any mods imho. If u want to do things well, get an emanage or afc and a wideband unit from zeitronix and work with that, its also a good starting point if you have the zeitronix when you turbo cuz it can monitor egt and boost as well as wideband Air fuel.

this can be had for as much as just a piggyback.

just a thought.

 

We told you why. As she stated, if you have to ask what it does, you shouldn't buy it.

You've also proven yourself to be rude and just another streetracer. So I'm done helping.

Also, there's an edit button. Don't make a new post in mid sentence.

 

I'm rude when your not helpful. Secondly, I'm not just another streetracer, and besides, whats wrong with that once in a while? Thirdly, we have all been at the point in life where we dont really know a whole lot about our cars. I just enjoy working on my car. Its kept me from wasting my money on stupid things like drugs. I see no point in getting the vehicle that already has all the mods done to it cause then your not learning anything. I don't really care what vehicle it is. I had a 1986 ford tempo before this. You shoulda seen how jimmyrigged half the stuff was on it. But I learned from it. And I enjoyed it. Now I'm asking in a forum what I should do because I love and enjoy my lancer and want to get things done right and someone gives me an answer like "Oh you shouldnt be asking". What am I supposed to do with that? I'm looking for helpful strategies. And you offered me a good one. Thank you. But I don't see the point in you being rude to me for an answer that is not helpful in any way. Isn't the point of you guys being on here to help people out? So being done with that, thank you to kungfugirl whom i was rude to and sorry if you took offense and thanks to everyone else that helped out here. Good suggestions.

 

1. You asked a question that you could have easily answered yourself. It was also extremely open-ended. People answered it as best they could given the information you provided.
2. Street racing is for morons with tiny penises or gigantic gaping vaginas.
3. In some cases it is best to do the research yourself.

 

Which is why I'm here. To do the research. I'm pretty positive you guys all know alot more about this than I do. Yes I want a standalone but wanted to know if the rrm was a decent piggyback for this stage in my cars evolution. Yes maybe I said something stupid about whether or not it was better than a standalone but I was hoping maybe this was a forum that didnt flame people. As for street racing, I really don't see what the issue is. You know that people that do it have it coming, so whatever. Don't see a point in flaming them. They want to work and improve their vehicles just as much as we do. Alot of the knowledge I have about cars I learned from a kid that was an ambient street racer. He learned after crashing into a truck at 125 in his tiburon but he still just loves everything there is about building up your car. Not that I would street race, I'm too chicken ****. But I do love building my car and seeing the look on peoples faces. Besides, I'm looking for friends, not people that want to flame me even though half the time I bring it on myself. Regardless of what type of racing they do.