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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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I wouldn't do it if it was my car. The risk is very high and I personally don't like nitrous, it's only fast when you spray and you have to constantly refill the bottle among other problems.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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if your gonna spend internals and nitrous might as well get turbo. plus its more safer and constant boost.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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He's saying if our Lancers' internals can't handle NOS, then it can't handle a turbo. Has anybody ever blown an engine because of a turbo? If anyone has on this forum, I haven't heard of it...
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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^Because when people pay the $3/4k for the turbo kit, they're smart enough to put in the right psi spring in the WG, or set the int. WG at a level such as not to over boost.

If you want to see blow engines, coast over the my area...D-series.org or turbod16.net and see how a stock block can be blown easily.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:35 PM
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People have indeed blown their motors turbo. It's also nitrous (or dinitrogen monoxide) not NOS, NOS is brand name for nitrous-related products.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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basically stupid people do stupid things. Some happen to be idiots using a turbo, some happen to use N2O.

if you push a turbo to far it will blow your engine. But running it at a reasonable psi you will be fine and make very good gains.
That is definitly not the case with n2o. You are running a big risk no matter what. Its just not worth it. Not worth the money for the small 5 second gain, and no worth the risk to your engine
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iufan4lifeul
technically YES you can run a shot of nitrous safely on our motor. BUT you have to have a tune for when you aren't spraying and a tune for when you are.
iufan4lifeul is right... if you are going to run it, you need to have a tune that can automatically switch between n/a and N2O, but lets think about it...

At the wheels, a lancer with intake, exhaust, pullies, etc. (still n/a) puts down around 100hp. Add a shot of N2O you get a quick maybe 60hp gain. Total of a 160whp until you slow down because if you hammer on the gas again, you are going to be right back at the 100hp range.

If you spent the amount of money to do the kit "right" with the proper N2O on/off tune and everything, your 160whp (guess you can technically call it that) car could have had a turbo attached to it, putting down (like myself) about 215 to the wheels and well the tank doesn't run out

Which brings me to the next thing...
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He's saying if our Lancers' internals can't handle NOS, then it can't handle a turbo.
Oh, it could probably handle the spray with the proper tuning, but why spend the money to make the N2O work perfectly, when for not much more money get a turbo setup which tuners have the experience and research in perfecting a turbo tune? In addition, you have a possible 215whp constantly at your fingertips without the worry of blowing something up because you have not tuned it right
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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I've looked around and all the threads I've looked at some people say 75 shot is ok and other say 25 shot max. SO Im just wondering who has actually used N2O on a stock engine and how much you sprayed. My 02 OZ is at 91k miles now so I'd feel like Im risking it too much running stock internals but from what I've read some upgraded rods and higher comp pistons will do the trick. Any advise?
If your asking this question I don't think you should even use N2o. Technically you could blow your engine on the first shot if you don't know what your doing. I don't think were gunna be too much help because nos doesn't really get along too well with our engines and knowbody wants to find out. I agree a turbo would be best. If you don't gun your car, you pretty much get about the same mpg. Like crypto said if you do blow your engine please come back and tell us what you did so that others may learn from your mistake.
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 06:57 AM
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As long as you'll get wet kit, colder spark plugs, emanage to retards the timing, you'll be fine. Nitrous is as dengerous as turbo.

Tuning is the key. You can't just throw in the 50 shot and hope for the best. Again, tuning is the key.

It's funny how people say nitrous will blow your engine and turbo won't. That's bull ****.

People that blew their engines with nitrous is only b/c there was no tuning involved or very bad tuning. For every 50 shot you have to retard the timing 2 degrees.

Go with wet kit. No need for injectors or fuel pump. Do some google on this. There is alot of good info there.
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 07:29 AM
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My problem with nitrous is it's very hard to tune for. Sure you can retard the timing and such but that'll make the car run like crap when you're not spraying.
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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That's why you need something like emanage where you can have 2 maps.
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Ideally you'd want something that could switch on the fly.
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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still seems an awful lot of work for a minimal gain though
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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I don't get you guys. It's a cheap way to get hp. How it's minimal gain???
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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I think they mean it's minimal gains on a stock motor because you can't run a big shot anyways and it's very limited in when/how you can use it.
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