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Old May 15, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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Convert PZEV to FED?

I know there has to be a way.

Any ideas? What is different?

Us PZEV owners can get gains just switching to Fed. Let us know
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Old May 15, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Remove cats, reflash ECU.
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Old May 15, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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Maybe putting the RRM Testpipe(eliminating cat) and switching exhaust if I am correct
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Old May 15, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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this is what I have:

rrm sri
tsudo axleback

what exactly and where on the exhaust do i have to change?
what about the header?

rrm or someone with expertise help me out. dont mind a cel i can put stock parts back on before inspection
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Old May 15, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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get the RRM PZEV Header (out already) and their CEL eliminator for the header when it comes out... which should be pretty soon.... i hope... :P

That header alone will get you close to if not dead even with Fed Spec with RRM header.
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Old May 15, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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But he's talking about being at Fed level by losing the PZEV parts. So basically, what are the differences that make PZEV have lower hp(Such as the extra cat a PZEV lancer has, etc...)?

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Old May 15, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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yeah... and if you get the RRM PZEV header, you'll drop the "extra" cat..........

Other things that make the PZEV different are the cams (so I hear) and the ECU programming, thanks to the extra sensors and different cams...

Personally, I think it would be more effort than it's worth to convert a PZEV car into Fed spec.... unless you just swap the engine and ECU... but then that's a hell of a lot of dough just to gain 10 HP...
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Old May 15, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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I don't think RRM made the test pipe if the header removes the extra cat but I also heard the cams and ecu
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Old May 15, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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the header does remove the extra cat..... that's why they're making the CEL eliminator for the PZEV header... and that's why they've been saying the PZEV header will give the PZEV cars more gains than the Fed Header for the Fed cars....
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Old May 16, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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so guys,

what you think will be the results with:

sri
axleback
header (PZEV)
Test Pipe
Spark Plugs

???

Will i feel a huge difference?

also will a cai be better.some people think that an sri is better.. but i get nagged that i have a fake intake.. now it make sense that the sri has less hose for air to flow.. but the cai is colder and that also makes sense.. dont have money for a turbo so making it as fast NA as i can..

ANy other things besides listed above to make it more peppy?

I heard that putting that pulley on isnt a good idea at all.. it does more bad then good..

Feel free to input guys.. thanx
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Old May 16, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bigd31388
so guys, what you think will be the results with:

sri
axleback
header (PZEV)
Test Pipe
Spark Plugs

Will i feel a huge difference?
also will a cai be better.some people think that an sri is better.. but i get nagged that i have a fake intake.. now it make sense that the sri has less hose for air to flow.. but the cai is colder and that also makes sense.. dont have money for a turbo so making it as fast NA as i can..
ANy other things besides listed above to make it more peppy?
I heard that putting that pulley on isnt a good idea at all.. it does more bad then good..
Feel free to input guys.. thanx
Will you feel a HUGE difference - not to be all doom-n-gloom, but probably not. You'll likely feel a small diffference, but you won't suddenly think your car is a HP monster.

CAI better - not really. The differences are pretty much impossible to feel. They can only be measured on a dyno.

Anything else to make it more peppy - piggyback is a good idea...

Pulley does not do more bad than good. The poorly-designed crank seal is a problem, but that is in no way RRM's fault. The exact same problem happens with the stock pulley.
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Old May 16, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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after all that.. flash and tune ur ECU via WORKs in Infineon Raceway, pass on the piggy.. and i think the testpipe is pointless if ur getting the header
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Old May 16, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bigd31388
so guys,

what you think will be the results with:

sri
axleback
header (PZEV)
Test Pipe
Spark Plugs

???

Will i feel a huge difference?

also will a cai be better.some people think that an sri is better.. but i get nagged that i have a fake intake.. now it make sense that the sri has less hose for air to flow.. but the cai is colder and that also makes sense.. dont have money for a turbo so making it as fast NA as i can..

ANy other things besides listed above to make it more peppy?

I heard that putting that pulley on isnt a good idea at all.. it does more bad then good..

Feel free to input guys.. thanx
Why do you want a PZEV header in NY? they selling PZEV lancers over there too? I heard about NJ getting PZEV cars, but not NY.(?)... If you have a fed Lancer (you can tell by your VIN - it's posted on these boards somewhere how to tell by VIN) you should get the Fed Header.

If you get the test pipe, be prepared to stare at a CEL while driving around, at least until RRM gets the CEL eliminator figured out.

Spark plugs? I seriously doubt you'll net anything noticeable with spark plugs... Some may argue differently, but a set of stock plugs with the gaps set properly will perform just as good as a $100 set of plugs. Start changing engine internals, you'll need to start considering different spark plugs, but that's mainly to keep the spark plug in the proper operating heat range.

Anyways, after putting all those parts on, an ECU flash and tune will help optimize the cars utilization of the mods. So far, WORKS is the only shop I know advertising flash/tunes for the '08 Lancers, but they're in Cali. You could get a RRM Piggy w/ tuning software and have a shop out there dyno tune your car to try and optimize performance.
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Old May 16, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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i have a pzev car. and in ny thats mainly what they sell.. Cali and NY are pretty close when it comes to smog concerns..

now.. why would it be pointless to buy the test pipe if i get the headers? I dont get it. Help me out.

Get internals? Would love to just tell me where to buy them....
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Old May 17, 2008 | 01:20 AM
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OK, I knew NY was pretty strict on emissions, but not that strict....

Did someone say it would be pointless to get both? I don't remember saying that. I DID say you should be prepared to have your car complain if you install the test pipe though...

if I'm not mistaken, the test pipe is to ditch the cat on the fed cars. So, if you got the PZEV header and the "test pipe" you'd effective remove all of the cats from the exhaust. If your state is as strict as Cali, then you're just asking for a fine, and possibly having your vehicle impounded. Will you gain power? yes... is that little bit of extra power worth the penalties if you get caught? not to me it isn't...

if you're deleting all the cats, then you're better off getting the header and having a custom exhaust built from the header back, because with that test pipe you're going to have to weld fittings to the exhaust where the cat use to be so you can bolt the test pipe into place. Also, the fewer connection points you have in the exhaust the fewer points of failure you have, and having a single pipe size front to back helps to maintain exhaust gas velocity...
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