Gain expectation
Gain expectation
I might change employer soon. The employer I might go with is talking about a 3000CDN$ (2258US$) bonus on the first paycheck to switch over to his company.
So I'm kind of planning what I would do with that money and try to figure out what kind of gain I would get from the mods.
Let say I went with the Following:
Test pipe: 2-3%
Header: 2-3%
Intake manifold: 2-3%
Piggyback: 12%
Already have intake: 1%
Are my number good or am I way off?
What final HP output would I get from all that?
Does 147hp(at the crank) sounds about right?
Should I go a different route? (forget about turbo I ain't got that kind of money)
So I'm kind of planning what I would do with that money and try to figure out what kind of gain I would get from the mods.
Let say I went with the Following:
Test pipe: 2-3%
Header: 2-3%
Intake manifold: 2-3%
Piggyback: 12%
Already have intake: 1%
Are my number good or am I way off?
What final HP output would I get from all that?
Does 147hp(at the crank) sounds about right?
Should I go a different route? (forget about turbo I ain't got that kind of money)
Last edited by blaze_125; Feb 9, 2004 at 03:54 PM.
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i would definitley consider turbo (i know you said don't think aboutit). if you spent another grand to get the non - ic'ed kit, you would see far more gains than all of those combined.
anyway, your numbers are pretty accurate (give or take a % or 2). your route seems pretty good, but personally i would drop the test pipe and go full exhaust with high flow cat. and i would definitely get the tb to match the intake manifold. after all of that i say you would have between 130 - 140 whp.
anyway, your numbers are pretty accurate (give or take a % or 2). your route seems pretty good, but personally i would drop the test pipe and go full exhaust with high flow cat. and i would definitely get the tb to match the intake manifold. after all of that i say you would have between 130 - 140 whp.
Originally posted by Guru_Del
honestly. i would go with TEIN basic's, sway bar w/perches. strut bar and a piggy back.
honestly. i would go with TEIN basic's, sway bar w/perches. strut bar and a piggy back.
No bro' skip messing with your exhaust all together until you can afford FI. NA engines DO NOT like to be "wide open" as the term goes. Jon_e's right though, if you're gonna get the mani, get the TB, too.
I doubt his numbers unless you have some pretty hefty tools to tune your piggyback with (and I'd recommend the eManage with support tool to do the fuel mgt. The only catch is you'll need a laptop to run the software). Why do I doubt it? Rhyzin's running 5PSI and is only making about 133WHP. I've got most of what you're talking about and, admittedly the eManage is turned off to get baseline #s, I'm only putting down about 114. even IF the eManage can get me 12% more power, that's just under 128WHP. Sure, not bad, but I'm not thinking I'm the peak performance machine on the road. Forget what you've heard about 120CHP yielding 109WHP, it's closer to 102 on the ground.
I doubt his numbers unless you have some pretty hefty tools to tune your piggyback with (and I'd recommend the eManage with support tool to do the fuel mgt. The only catch is you'll need a laptop to run the software). Why do I doubt it? Rhyzin's running 5PSI and is only making about 133WHP. I've got most of what you're talking about and, admittedly the eManage is turned off to get baseline #s, I'm only putting down about 114. even IF the eManage can get me 12% more power, that's just under 128WHP. Sure, not bad, but I'm not thinking I'm the peak performance machine on the road. Forget what you've heard about 120CHP yielding 109WHP, it's closer to 102 on the ground.
Originally posted by blaze_125
That much at the rubber? Stock we've got what? 95-98whp?
That much at the rubber? Stock we've got what? 95-98whp?
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Originally posted by jon_e_blaze
if you spent another grand to get the non - ic'ed kit, you would see far more gains than all of those combined.
if you spent another grand to get the non - ic'ed kit, you would see far more gains than all of those combined.
Anybody has the price of the RPW stage 1 turbo setup. I went on their website but they don't post prices anymore. And I am still waiting for them to reply my e-mail
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I know this question probably has been answered a thousand times before, but, okay so you spend 4 grand on the turbo, you gotta spend another 4 to five just making it so the turbo won't destroy the stock crappy engine. You need new pistons, rods, injectors, fuel pump....etc the list goes on and on right? Please correct me if I'm wrong because I got no problem dropping 4-5 grand and getting that kind of hp but not if a week later my pistons get obliterated. The car's gotta last at least till i've paid the damn thing off. 
Originally posted by thereasonsf3
then your income tax refund is coming back very soon. save it.
then your income tax refund is coming back very soon. save it.
Don't know how much, but I know I'll have to pay 
Originally posted by jaymz916
You need new pistons, rods, injectors, fuel pump....etc the list goes on and on right? Please correct me if I'm wrong because I got no problem dropping 4-5 grand and getting that kind of hp but not if a week later my pistons get obliterated. The car's gotta last at least till i've paid the damn thing off.
You need new pistons, rods, injectors, fuel pump....etc the list goes on and on right? Please correct me if I'm wrong because I got no problem dropping 4-5 grand and getting that kind of hp but not if a week later my pistons get obliterated. The car's gotta last at least till i've paid the damn thing off.
Fuel pump, i think it is part of the kit
Injectors, i think it is part of the kit
Rods... I don't know
ya i know my dad was pissed that he isnt getting as much back as he watned... so he's been grumpy lol.
and for jaymz im pretty sure you go the non IC kit from RRM you will be fine running like 4-6psi and like IC kit with like 7-8psi just fine on the stock parts, im not 100% but someone will correct me if im wrong.
and for jaymz im pretty sure you go the non IC kit from RRM you will be fine running like 4-6psi and like IC kit with like 7-8psi just fine on the stock parts, im not 100% but someone will correct me if im wrong.
OK, to actually follow your original question, let's assume you don't turbo. You're getting a LOT of money to play with. You said you're handling the handling, so I'll ignore that.
I fully agree with you on the header, intake, and piggyback. That's $1150 american. I'd also suggest the throttle body (let's round up to $1500). Then let's say test pipe and cat-back exhaust, we're at 2k. I'd guess that tax and shipping with cover the rest, so you'll have a nice setup going off that. And I'm quite jealous of you.
I fully agree with you on the header, intake, and piggyback. That's $1150 american. I'd also suggest the throttle body (let's round up to $1500). Then let's say test pipe and cat-back exhaust, we're at 2k. I'd guess that tax and shipping with cover the rest, so you'll have a nice setup going off that. And I'm quite jealous of you.
theres no way your gonna spend 5 grand after the turbo in stuff to make it not blow up...its called rrm...they run like 7psi non intercooled on stock motor, no exhaust or anything, i think that have 9 on intercooled, i could be wrong it might be 5 and 7 respectivley...pistons are weak on the lancer, rods will hold p to about 280 hp if im not mistaken