i love the 2gs the best.. specially GST's hehe..

 

The 2gs without a doubt are the best. The 4g63 baby. But will have to see how the new ones do Iguess (4gs) do. Hey who knows maybe a body kit fr the 4g to look like the 2g.LOL Anything to change that bubble butt bumper. The only draw back. Like i mentioned before though I love that they went back to a closer lookin 2g and beefed it up.

 

Here goes the Eclipse breakdown:
1g: great performance, not great looking
2g: great performance, some engine problems (crankwalk), great looking
3g: big, heavy, ugly, only females need apply
4g: big, heavy, not as ugly, only females need apply :X

 

fine then them evos or whatever u guys call fast are queer cars...take on shep's awd talon...you wont touch it...jk...but seriously

 

Dude...get real...Evos come STOCK with what most DSMers upgrade to (big 16g, big brakes, suspension work)...how exactly are eclipses better? I used to have a '96 GST and lemme tell you, the difference is night & day. Yeah my Evo isn't quite as powerful as I had my eclipse pumped up to, but my Evo is still basically stock, and my Eclipse had an upgraded turbo, intercooler, injectors, and a whole hell of a lot of things to get it there. And my Evo is not really that far below the power of my Eclipse in basically stock form. BUT it handles way better, brakes are better...I don't know why I'm bothering responding to your childish remark...

 

3G is a chick car...but most buy the GS Converts and the RS...

Most GS-T and GSX are driven by guys...from my personal viewing experience.

 

Let me break down here too then LOL

1g: decent performance (for the time), ugly
2g: great performance, SOME(not a lot) engine problems (crankwalk)wasn't that
mostly the RS/GSes??? great looking
3g: big, heavy, ugly, only females need apply
4g: middle size, beautiful except from behind, most girls need to leave alone:X

 

If i remember correctly the both come with the 4g63 correct? Different trannies though?
And can we realy call and Evo "STOCK"? not trying to rip the thread here. and I love the Evo. But come on!Sparco, MOMO, Brembo, blah blah blah how can anyone call it stock.. It is great the products come in the car and are cover'd under warrenty but mitsu didn't really develop them and such they are aftermarket products (and great products) installed on a new setup of the 4g63.

To be fair add all that to a GST and it would cost porb 5-10g less than the Evo. Still like the Evo and would prob take on over the GST.

 

Let's get real here. In 1999 a GSX MSRP was $26,995 (The GS-T isn't comparable because it was FWD). That gives you ~$3K before you are at the price of a new Evo VIII. So, let's just say you bought a Brembo brake upgrade for it (~$2K), tore it down & put in about 400 extra welds for rigidity ($?K, who is going to do this?), replaced the suspension with forged pieces ($?K, can you even do this?), installed stiffer springs & shocks ($~1K), put in a nifty Momo steering wheel & Recaro seats (~$2K), modified the steering to have 2.2 turns lock-to-lock ($?K), replaced some of the body pieces with aluminum pieces, beefed up the gearbox, put on a carbon-fiber wing, replaced the turbo, front mount interooler, etc. etc. etc. the list goes on, Not to mention all the engineering that makes an Evo do what it does on the track. No, you don't have a case at all.

Now, if you are talking used Eclipse prices and New Evo prices, you do have a case, but I still say you'd probably just about break even on a new Evo if you count all the labor involved. There are too many variables in that equation to get a definite answer.

If you are talking 2006 Eclipse vs. new Evo...you never can, the Evo has AWD and even if you can build a 1320 monster from an Eclipse, the whole comparison goes out the window once the steering wheel and brakes become involved.

 

^Very good write up. I agree, people love to compare used cars with the price tag of a new car, not fair.

 

straight (v) car! oh yah also a 2F2F car!

 

Good info that is what I wanted to know.. hence the question marks... and what was this about "No, you don't have a case at all." I wasn't tring to make a case rather that throw a question out there, in a response made by a user. My main point was the "Stock" Evo tag everyone wants to put on it. That was my really only rant there. And as i mentioned it is awesome Mitsu does it but... I don't want to continue on killin this thread 2g Eclipses ROCK. LOL

 

Well in that case, I really don't think you can blur the line between stock & non-stock; It's pretty much cut & dry. If it came on the car factory installed, it's stock. If not, but you can get it through official dealer channels, it has factory options. Now, as soon as you bolt something on that isn't available through dealer channels, or only in limited quantity ala the SCCA T1 Corvette Vs. Viper Vs. Porsche parts, or Factory-made Groupe-N rally parts, then there is a bit of a gray area.

If your point is that the Evo isn't stock because it comes with Brembos...well Nissan 350Z and Infinit G35 w/ track package comes with Brembos. I don't think people would consider those cars non-stock. If you mean to say that simply because the steering wheel is subcontracted to Momo then it can't be considered stock, well lots of cars have optional steering wheels. Some long-haul tractor trailers come with Recaro seats, they've made many OEM units for all kinds of companies. The Corvette comes with a Getrag 6-speed, and I believe Getrag makes the gearboxes on the Evo as well. I would say the majority of car parts on cars aren't made by the company that sells the car, they are for the most part subcontracted to other companies. You are right that many of the parts that come on an Evo are made by desirable subcontractors, but they are stock nonetheless. For the most part, they aren't even upgraded options, they just come like that. Mitsubishi doesn't make NGK spark plugs, but that doesn't mean the engine isn't stock, nor does the radiator made by Nippondenso throw it out of the stock category.

The other day at the track I saw a Ford RS200 Groupe B homologation special. It was basically a race car, but you can't say it wasn't stock. Every part on it was there when it rolled out of the factory...albeit hand made with not much in the way of off-the-shelf things from the parts bin.

 

Seriously dude... I am not going to continue a "stock" not stock argument on this guys thread... create a new one and we can argue, debate, whatever. This isn't something I am going to go to grave defending.. it is a point of view that I laugh at when the term "stock" Evo is brought up. I know what you are saying as "Stock" Evo it is great.. no doubt. but don't part and pecies other cars in the picture like "well 350s come with Brembos this comes with momo.. " this comes with whatever. The Evo collectivly has the most 3rd party manufactures names on the vehicle than.. I don't know 85%+ of the market. There are really only a few US sold cars that roll off the assembly line with these outside tags on the vehicle. Sorry to whose ever thread this WAS.

 

I agree with the 1g thru 4g as posted above. I wouldn't touch a 3g/4g with anything...ugly....
had a 2g gst (granted no comparison to an evo) and sold it for my 03 evo and haven't looked back yet... eclipse was a very nice car, but it needed a LOT of work to handle and brake like the evo and power seems so much different even though the 2 cars are the same block. ( my gst had over 5k in parts and a big 16g to boot).

still 2 totally different cars being marketed to different audiences....