Here's a really well done article a friend of mine found, it is recently done and I didn't find it listed anywhere but I'm very sorry if it is a repost.

Most will say "just more BS into the storm" but I say it is a well done review, and the results are exactly what I expected to begin with.

http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/

 

They need to do these tests with the same make and model tires and in the same condition. Cup tires (basically street R compound) on the GT2 compared to the slower Bridgestones on the GTR is not even the same.

Also, the driving skill to get the max out of an AWD vs a RWD is very different. And just because you are fast at one, doesn't mean you are fast with the other.

This test at best is inconclusive.

 

I think Nissan really deserves a round of applause for managing to create that much buzz about an overhyped car with false specs, obscene dealer markups, an insane cost of ownership, and glass transmission.

 

LOL, there's no denying the GTR is fast...super fast.

All dealers sux!

Do you know the insane cost of maintenance for a Porsche? And Porsche's aren't overhyped?

LC should not have been an option in the first place if the transmission can't take it. First year model of any make always has issues. Hopefully they will have this sorted out in the next couple of years.

 

Do you? Well, let me rephrase that before I get into it... Do you think the cost for maintenance on your Evo is insane?

At any rate, I agree with your statement on the tires, and anyone who has had track experience can plainly see that. But anyone that has had experience can plainly see that there are a lot of factors involved with how the tires may have affected the car, including having the cup tires on the GTR slowing it down. Regardless, I wish they would've put equivalent tires on both cars... That test all those years ago with the Evo and STi was one of my all time favorite magazine reviews because they did just that... Tires on a big track like Nurburgring can easily account for a few seconds of difference, they count for a few seconds of difference on much smaller tracks and even some auto-x courses.

 

I do, i owned a few Porsche's before and the maintenance cost was very high. I think the cost to maintain the Evo is cheap.

 

You got screwed then or had bad luck. I easily save money as far as routine maintenance is concerned over the Evo. And if you factor in mechanical failures, tires, and brake replacements, I still save money. Only place I don't save is $9 more a month on insurance, a teenie bit less gas friendly (maybe 1-3 mpg average at most), and the fact that the Evo was paid off, and I have payments on this.

 

From the way it sounds, you drive your Evo much harder then the way you drive your Porsche. Mechanical and brake replacement cost is much higher on the Porsche. Tires cost are about the same.

I do all my own work on all my cars. I find it quite relaxing (not all the time thought). Evo parts are no where near the cost of Porsche parts. Don't get me started on Porsche electrical as well as the understeer and then the snap oversteer. It's the bane as well as the charm (if you can even call it that) of the 911 types (some models are worse then others).

To each their own.

 

I discount the fact that I drove the Evo on the track more than the Porsche, since track costs were seperate than normal maintenence costs anyway. Otherwise I drive the Porsche just as hard, if not harder, than I drove the Evo. It is more fun to drive, afterall. I don't know where you got me driving the Evo harder out of that paragraph anyway.

Mechanical costs I'll give you, haven't done a very large amount of research there and I probably lack the ability to dispute that successfully, but brake jobs have been over 200 dollars cheaper for pads that last longer (But that's DS2500s vs Porsche OEM). Tires are very very close to the same if the same quality tires are being bought. And oil changes over time save me over 200 dollars as well (and that's also not counting my Evo taking 8 qts of oil because of the Accusump). Other than the brake pads I do not do any of the work on my own cars, but both the Evo shop and the Porsche shop charge the same hourly rate, and both are highly experienced shops. And that's still discounting the fact that I haven't been doing the extra TC or tranny changes I did on the Evo every 3k with the oil, but that's because those weren't necessary, and they didn't add much to the costs.

Regardless... Insane? Hardly. The only thing I've been screwed on is paying to get a code pulled by the dealer (30 bucks...) and paying for a new daytime running light (14.50 from Porsche, 7.00 from other sources). Otherwise nothing has been anywhere near anything I would consider "insane" levels... nothing like the GTR for sure.