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Old May 5, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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I remember a long time ago before Mitsu fell apart with stupid decisions that sent their brand recognition and sales into the toilet there was a rumor of them wanting to enter Formula One as an engine supplier. It would be nice to see what they could do if the idea of a 50-60K+ plus Mitsubishi performance car was plausible.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rehtea
It looks like future BMW will start to resemble Evo, powered by turbo 4-cyl engines. I hope 2010 Evo X comes with some big improvements. 290hp ain't gonna cut it for long.


BMW confirmed: New 4 Cylinder Turbo in Development

Rumormill: BMW working on twin-turbo four-cylinder?
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I don't know, to me they should have made the Gsr as the rally spec, keeping it intact with the rules, and then make the MR as the big boy spec to compete with the gt-r and others, increasing the engine to about a 3.0L straight six cylinder twin turbo beast.

Agreed. If theres one flaw with the EVO ( at least in my opinion, ) is the power train layout......... traditional transverse engine/transmission/ with AWD.

Mitsu should go to a straight six/ or improve the 4 banger ( and have there powertrains longitudinal. ) beef up that powertrain !!!
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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The power target of this fantasy mill is said to be 220 to 260 horsepower
a shiny new 1-series coupe
Two door coupe with hp level around that of the current Ralliart or WRX, I would say Mitsubishi Evo's doesn't have a lot to worry about...yet.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dgrumpys
Mitsu should go to a straight six...
That probably wouldn't fit, nor would that be cheap. They are limited to 2.0L per the WRC. The Suzuki Verona was the only car I'd ever seen with a traverse mounted straight six, and it was 2.5L, and a dog.

or improve the 4 banger
Like, Dude. They do that almost every year.

( and have there powertrains longitudinal. )
Not gonna happen as long as it shares the chassis with the base Lancer, which in order for it to be economical to build both, they'll both have to continue to be tranverse mounted. Mitsu can't afford a one off chassis just for ~8K Evos a year. Its still the best in class and a giant killer when modded, so what really is there to complain about?

Oh, right. The internet.

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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
That probably wouldn't fit, nor would that be cheap. They are limited to 2.0L per the WRC.
Except this statement is now irrelevant considering that Mitsubishi's factory team pulled out of the WRC in 2006.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:35 PM
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Except this statement is now irrelevant considering that Mitsubishi's factory team pulled out of the WRC in 2006.
Privateers still run the car in lower levels of the WRC and Group N, so your statement is irrelevant. Them pulling out doesn't mean they'll never ever go back to the top level either. Nice try.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
That probably wouldn't fit, nor would that be cheap. They are limited to 2.0L per the WRC. The Suzuki Verona was the only car I'd ever seen with a traverse mounted straight six, and it was 2.5L, and a dog.



Like, Dude. They do that almost every year.



Not gonna happen as long as it shares the chassis with the base Lancer, which in order for it to be economical to build both, they'll both have to continue to be tranverse mounted. Mitsu can't afford a one off chassis just for ~8K Evos a year. Its still the best in class and a giant killer when modded, so what really is there to complain about?

Oh, right. The internet.

yeah it wont happen, but its cool to think... dont be a buzzkill

what sucks about the layout is cramming all that s---- it such a small place it weakens the components.... if they did change the layout, we wouldnt have issues with transfer cases and trannys blowin/grinding at 10000 miles.
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Old May 13, 2009 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dgrumpys
yeah it wont happen, but its cool to think... dont be a buzzkill

what sucks about the layout is cramming all that s---- it such a small place it weakens the components.... if they did change the layout, we wouldnt have issues with transfer cases and trannys blowin/grinding at 10000 miles.
You really should know what you are talking about before making statements like that. Mitsubishi drivetrain parts failing are from people not knowing how to drive. If you think they are so weak go buy a Subaru which obviously has the superior drivetrain layout. See how far that gets you.

Quit complaining and launching it likes its a honda is everyones problem. I have just about every bolt on you can throw at an evo and have NEVER had a problem with my so called weak tranny MR and on STOCK clutch. Too many people need to learn how to drive. The car is only as weak as the person driving it. Some people just like to complain and have no knowledge of engineering.

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Old May 13, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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You have NO clue what you are talking about. Thats not Mitsu fault thats people not knowing how to drive. Quit complaining and launching it likes its a damn honda. I have just about every bolt on you can throw at an evo and have NEVER had a problem with my so called weak tranny MR and on STOCK clutch. Too many people need to learn how to drive. The car is only as weak as the person driving it. Some people just like to complain and have no knowledge of engineering.
Well since you are such a bad a-- engineer, and such a bad a-- sport car driver,
why dont you get a job doing such things instead of bashing the general population.
my guess is your occupation isnt even in this field.
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Old May 13, 2009 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dgrumpys
Well since you are such a bad a-- engineer, and such a bad a-- sport car driver,
why dont you get a job doing such things instead of bashing the general population.
my guess is your occupation isnt even in this field.
I never said I was and I was not bashing you. I was simply correcting your blatant statement that has no factual data to backup your claim. Also your guess on my occupation would be wrong...
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Old May 13, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dgrumpys
yeah it wont happen, but its cool to think... dont be a buzzkill

what sucks about the layout is cramming all that s---- it such a small place it weakens the components.... if they did change the layout, we wouldnt have issues with transfer cases and trannys blowin/grinding at 10000 miles.
Buzzkill, huh. I haven't had any problem with mine. I'm also happy with the car the way it is.
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Old May 13, 2009 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dbsears
I never said I was and I was not bashing you. I was simply correcting your blatant statement that has no factual data to backup your claim. Also your guess on my occupation would be wrong...
DOOD GET OVER YOURSELF

I only mentioned powertrain layouts as a what if, or maybe, or a possiblity.
Its not like I said Mitsubishi HAS to do what I say.

whats the beef? move on
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Old May 13, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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The rumor mill one is wrong. It won't spin to 11k, that's ridiculous to expect from a mass produced engine.

What I've heard was an M coupe on the 1 series platform with turbo I4 and the turbo I6s stay in the 3 series line.

The real excitement would be an I6 turbo M3 not on N54 spec, but on M spec. They said it would not share with the N54, which means we might finally see something that can go toe to toe with a 2JZ in the aftermarket. One can only dream...
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Old May 13, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Noize
The rumor mill one is wrong. It won't spin to 11k, that's ridiculous to expect from a mass produced engine.

What I've heard was an M coupe on the 1 series platform with turbo I4 and the turbo I6s stay in the 3 series line.

The real excitement would be an I6 turbo M3 not on N54 spec, but on M spec. They said it would not share with the N54, which means we might finally see something that can go toe to toe with a 2JZ in the aftermarket. One can only dream...
Interesting concept for a " M1 " though not likely.. a 135 is already in the 40-50 k range, a brand new motor for that specific chassis, and a MOTORSPORT ENGINE at that......... at least 60k (BMW's intention with the 1 series was supposed to be entry model 25-40 max range.>>>> "at least thats what we were told in all of our updates "

for i6 turbo idea is interesting also, but the M3 already has a beast of a v-8, I dont see them downsizing on the same chassis. but maybe up the power with
( A supercharged v-8 such as the likes of Alpina B7. ) ????
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Old May 14, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dgrumpys
for i6 turbo idea is interesting also, but the M3 already has a beast of a v-8, I dont see them downsizing on the same chassis. but maybe up the power with
( A supercharged v-8 such as the likes of Alpina B7. ) ????
The rumormill has been saying they were going to ditch the n/a V8 and V10 and go to turbo power. So an twin turbo I-6 is rumored to be the most likely candidate as opposed to a twin turbo V8 or V6.
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