I want a evo but cant find one in my budget atm so i thinking of getting
either a protege or 2000 civic si between these cars what one is better
i want power and style

 

MSP's are 4 door (IIRC) and have the standard BP 1.8 motor with a tiny turbo. Si's are 2 door and have the B16. They're totally different cars. I'd suggest driving both to see. Personally I love the feel of a turbo BP so I'd go for the MSP...

 

^ agree, the turbo protege is harder to find than a civic, but way easier to make faster b/c its already turbo, and everyone and their brother has a civic

 

get a GTI

 

mazdaspeed3!

 

Good point Kyooch, Mazdaspped3 is also a great car that i will pick civic or protege and the msd3 as more hp.

 

Mazdaspeed3 is a garbage car with a plethora of significant issues.

Smoking turbos
Complete engine failure even in stock form
Bad syncros or all together tranny failures...

Oh the list is so huge.

 

sorry, change of mind. don't get the mazdaspeed3 if that is a list

 

it's not a "garbage" car.. there were failures for the first year or two.. I'd get an 09

 

I put 25K miles on my 2008 Mazdaspeed3 without any of the issues above. And Mazda issued a recall on the turbo. Plus the dealerships were mod friendly, easy to work with and provided loaners.

Hows your FLMD? (Friendly Local Mitsubishi Dealership)

on topic: Neither car will blow your doors off without a serious infusion of mods. The MSP wont take a larger turbo very well and cant go above ~14-17 psi without block failure. The Civic is NA and requires high revs. either one can be fun!

 

No they effect all years of production. Mazda cuts corners, period, they always have. They even have an engine failure sticky on the main forum with 140+ replies and I've read through them. They even effect regular 3's.

 

Honestly, wait until you can afford or can find an Evo, if you dont need a car ASAP. Its absolutely worth the wait for the Evo versus getting into something like one of those.

 

which forum? not doubting you, I would just like to read it. I'm planning on getting one used for a daily driver. i'm also planning on keeping it stock, so I'm looking for one still under warranty. I was thinking about a new MS3 or GTI but it's not worth the extra money IMO.

but yea, I'd love to see the thread. I've heard of engine failures but I didn't think they were THAT prevalent.

 

mazdaspeed protege = garbage....i know a cpl of people that had them and nothing but problems, engine constantly flooding,engine failure like no other for no reason and the engines are very weak you cant even put a bigger turbo or try to go more than 15 psi...i say civic si.

 

Chose the one that is cheaper to maintain, reliable and high resale value so you can save some $$$ and trade it in for an Evo someday