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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 07:20 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lancer_4_Sale


Front Grilled- Copied from BMW, Rims- Copied from Dodge Ram, Head and Taillights - Copied from 350Z. The entire car is made up of other peoples designs.
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Dont get me wrong, when I had my lancer I loved it but it has a Daewoo grill, rims from any vehicle that has came with 5 stars (And even if you say "But they are OZ's", in 1999 there was a OZ edition Eclipse) and the interior felt very Civic like.
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Lancer_4_Sale
Front Grilled- Copied from BMW, Rims- Copied from Dodge Ram, Head and Taillights - Copied from 350Z. The entire car is made up of other peoples designs.
Again, I hate to be a stickler about this, but you need to think deeper about these things before saying them. Sure, the grille resembles the twin kidneys that BMW has, but thats not it. The split-grille on the Solstice is directly related to just about every Pontiac car out there. From the Bonneville, to the Sunfire, all the way back to the old GTO's back in the 60-70s. Look at the old GTO Judge, and you'll see what I mean.

The rims are just a silly point to bring up. Everyone is copying everyone else with rims these days, so no one is really doing any worse than any other. There is only so far you can go with a round object while still being functional.

The headlights to ME look more like new Celica headlights than 350Z. Again, that isn't really a single mark design detail. Many cars are coming with that new swept back headlight look. From the Celica to the Z to the new Lexus ES330 and the G35 coupe and sedan. Its just the new style. By stacking the high and low beams together, you get a more compact shape that leads to more interesting design shapes. And, they can then put the high beams up above the low beams, to better aid in lighting ahead of you. Again, its just what everyone is doing, so they are all kind of borrowing from everyone else.

Really, in this day and age, there isn't really too much you can do that isn't in some way similar to some other car out there. There is just so much that goes into designing a car, you just can't do something without someone thinking it looks like someone else's design. Hell, when the C5 Vette came out, I thought the front portion of the car looked a lot like the FD RX7's. With the vents in the fenders and the shape. I doubt Chevy said "That looks nice, lets copy that" its just the way it worked out. People need to just get over it. Designs will come and go, and eventually, someone will think something looks like some other design thats out there. Its just the way the automotive world works. Look no further than the mini van. Chrysler comes out with this smaller van style, and now even though the so called "mini van is bigger than it was, everyone has one. You can't live as a company without one. It just happens.

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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 07:46 PM
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I think the gripe is with the fact that they tout the color of the caliper and not the size. Most guys that see my evo say "man, those are some big brakes"... not "those are some pretty red things inside your wheels". The comercial is about the color not the caliber of the caliper. (did that sound funny or what?) Its like the one pontiac comercial that shows the open-diff spinning. Why show that? It looks cool to the lamen but it dosen't show the performance of the car. It just looks cool.

I like the supercharger. I give them that. But that car is a BOAT. Although, the GTP is a cool BOAT. Plus... it has red shoes!
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 07:51 PM
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*shudders* boob job hahahah good one
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 09:54 AM
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I still think Corvette is the best bang for the buck if you can shell out the money.
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:06 AM
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Im all about great cars, regardless of the company that builds them. I find it funny that 20 years ago, everyone was ra-ra about domestic nameplates and laughed at Japanese cars. Now its just the opposite, people will denounce any car from an American car company and assume any car from Japan is pure gold.

Quite frankly the attitude pisses me off. People will sit here and complain that U.S. automakers just dont get it, but then when they do slam a decent car together (SVT Focus, SRT-4, Saturn Ion Redline, etc) everyone just denounces it as "an American piece of crap." Honestly, Ive read on posts on this board calling Corvettes pieces of crap. This amuses me because

1. Up until the Evo and the STI's intorduction to the U.S. market, the Corvette was the best high performance bang for the buck

2. The people calling the Corvette a piece of crap drive Lancer OZs. Dont give me wrong I drive one and love it, but it is no where close to the Vette in any department. Its like someone living in a glas house throwing a rock at a bomb shelter....

Ill end this rant with this. People proclaim Japanese cars to the "****," yet fail to see the facts. Yes, the new KA motors are now accepted as being worthy successors to the B series, but no one can deny that Honda took a step back with the Civic chassis. The previous generation sported double wishbone suspension, while the new one is sprung on McPherson struts. Now no one complains that Honda took a step back, but when Pontiac tries to make advances, such as little items like red calipers or new cars like the Solstice, people just talk smack and call it crap. How in the hell does that make any sense?

Honestly, if you cant see the promise of a small rear drive cheap coupe like the Solstice, you really need to get a better understanding of cars.

(Im sure alot of you reading this are saying "yea Honda is crap, but thats why I like Mitsu, they are awsome." Need I mention what happened to the Eclipse after the 2nd Gens??? Nuff said)
Couldn't agree with you more man. I owned a 89 Pontiac Grand Prix. When I got rid of it the car had 220,000 miles on it. Never had a problem with it. I just don't understand why people these days **** on American cars. For one - YOU LIVE IN AMERICA and should support the country. Second these days cars are made from both Domestic and Foreign parts. For all you SRT4 haters - Cough::cough:: Mitsubishi Turbo. I can see that in the 80's american cars weren't that great but they are changing drastically. So many new American cars are amazing. For instance: The new Grand Prix outperforms the camry,accord,and every other car in it's class. What about the Vette - read an article a while back saying it out-performed all sports cars under $80,000 in all areas! I personally have an appreciation for both Domestic and Foreign. I don't care whether it was made here or not if I like the car then I like it. I don't hate any car company. All are impressive. Every car company has made lemons, recalls, and off the all ****. There are problems with Foreign cars just as well as Domestic. Open your minds to new things. My .02
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:15 AM
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they can paint a single piston brake caliper red all they want - they ain't four piston brembos!
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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Huh?

Outperforms the Camry etc....

What are ya talking about? Making it to the junkyard in 6.2 years ?
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:23 AM
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QUOTE]Front Grilled- Copied from BMW, Rims- Copied from Dodge Ram, Head and Taillights - Copied from 350Z. The entire car is made up of other peoples designs.[/QUOTE]

Looking at the front of my EVO it just screams Pontiac. Everybody copies.

Some things are worth copying and some aren't.
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by eldanoloco


I personally think the car is bad *** looking and the specs are even more impressive. And word on the GM streets that after a couple years they are bringing back The Judge.
The thing weighs 3800 lbs
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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i saw the grand prix commercial when they also show a Lancer..
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Lancer_4_Sale


Front Grilled- Copied from BMW, Rims- Copied from Dodge Ram, Head and Taillights - Copied from 350Z. The entire car is made up of other peoples designs.
and, actually, the tail lights resemble the new solara. which is a toyota, which gm has a partnership with. just my .02.
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Pontiac has to be kidding

Originally posted by EvoVIIIFL
ok who here has seen the latest pontiac commercial? just talks about the car for a few seconds and talking about red. then it says the grand prix has got new red shoes.. ya red brake calipers... is it just me or are they copying us all of a sudden?

Yes they are all copying us just like those *****es at porsche who are they using brembos and painting them red so thier car will look like an EVO
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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Re: Huh?

Originally posted by meanmud
Outperforms the Camry etc....

What are ya talking about? Making it to the junkyard in 6.2 years ?
Actually it was an article in a mag.
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Old Feb 5, 2004 | 10:34 AM
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wasn't

it the Doran Pontiac that just won the 24 hours of Daytona?
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