Hey guys check this out. It says the 2005 GTO will get twin hood scoops and the new LS2 6 litre or thats what i expect it is. Anyhow if they can keep the price the same, it sounds pretty good. I think i'll have to wait and see.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-car05.html

 

Heavier and more expensive are a given with newer vs. older, especially since 4 decades span between the two. But these numbers from Motor Trend say the new GTO is faster:

1968 GTO:
Engine: 400 cubic inch V8
HP: 360 @ 5400
Torque: 445 lb-ft @ 4800
Curb weight: 3650 lb
0-60: 6.5 sec
1/4 mile: 14.80 @ 96 mph
Braking, 60-0: 150 ft.

2004 GTO:
Engine: 346 cubic inch V8
HP: 350 @ 5200
Torque: 365 lb-ft @ 4000
Curb weight: 3725 lb
0-60: 5.3 sec
1/4 mile: 13.62 @ 104.78
Braking, 60-0: 120 ft.

 

I agree it's heavier and more expensive (adjusting for dollars), but it's not slower. Better gearing makes up for the lost power, torque, and higher weight. Did you not read the Dec '03 Motor Trend?

1968 GTO
Engine: 400 cubic inch V8
Horsepower: 360 @ 5400 (SAE gross)
Torque: 445 lb-ft @ 4800rpm
Tranny: 4-speed manual
Curb weight, lb: 3650
0-60 mph, sec: 6.5 sec
1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 14.80 @ 96.00
Braking 60-0, ft: 150

2004 GTO
Engine: 346 cubic inch V8
Horsepower: 350 @ 5200 (SAE net)
Torque: 365 lb-ft @ 4000rpm
Tranny: 6-speed manual
Curb weight, lb: 3725
0-60 mph, sec: 5.3 sec
1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 13.62 @ 104.78
Braking 60-0, ft: 120

 

Beat ya to it ru4real

 

Dang it! It took me forever to type that!

 

Me too. In the end, however, it was I who triumphed.

 

I think it looks good, although I did want it to be a little more retro styled, kinda like the new mustang but not really cuz I'm not a ford fan.

 

The LS-1 is a good engine, however when GM decided to bring the car to the U.S. they did not change the chassis or suspension at all. This car really is about 3 years old. Now the engine is too much for the dated chassis creating a soft ride and huge body roll. I would save and wait until they update the car.

 

car and driver didnt like it they did a thing on it last sunday were some what un happy

 

Which one would you rather ?

 

This one seems as though the ride hide has been lowered, looks frikken awesome in real life like that.. but all said and done.. its still a Holden !

 

I also have owned a c5 in the past and the mileage claims are just untrue. Like my girlfriend's Focus (28/35) the actual driving for American cars usually reveals a very different reality. Her car is absolutely babied and pulls 25 in all highway driving.

As for my old c5 I NEVER got over 22 MPG on the highway even if I kept it to 60 and 1750 rpms. At 80, forget about it, I was back in the mid to high teens. What is advertised is often very different that reality. I think the American companies are given a slight leniency in EPA mileage estimates to give them a better attempt at competing. The only V8 I ever drove or owned that put out 25+ highway mileage was my old '97 SHO with a measely 3.4L V8. I respect the power of the 5.7L LS1 and it is an amazing engine, but I bet the Japanese would trump it if there was a JDM push towards larger engines. Basically larger engine cars have never been brought back to life after the 70s oil crisis anywhere but the USA (and Australia to an extent). Even with a late start and all.

I have yet to see an American engine compare with the smoothness of a BMW 2.8 I6 or the 3.2L Honda engine.

240HP from a 2.2L N/A engine in 5.7L V8 form (deducting approx 15% as smaller engines are typically higher revving with stronger sidewalls and such) would equal approximately 530HP. Maybe Ferrari can pull that off, but GM, Ford or Chrysler? Not without forced induction my friend. Too bad Honda's largest production engine is 3.5L for now (3.0L in F1 trim even).

 

I was referring to the z28 and firebird. One could get a brand new z28 in 2002 for less than $25. My favorite quote;

 

I sat in a GTO yesterday at the local GM dealer and I was very impressed. The interior was really well put together, more upscale and higher quality materials than I have ever seen in GM/FORD/CHYRSLER vehicle. It was sort of techno germanic in flavor.

However the wife quickly suffled me off to drive the Rainier/Envoy that we where their to look at.

I would definitely give it a thumbs up if it werent for the $10,000 MARKUP over MSRP the dealer was asking.

 

you sat in one yesterday?

according to the official website they aren't coming out til next month.