Most of the STi owners have started to figure out how to drive the car fast.

An understanding of the DCCD and what it's trying to do under different conditions is ness. This is a combination of reading and driving. Most of the people who just jump in the car and drive will not "get" the car and will report the car felt weird.

Many of us who drive the car everyday are taking it out of AUTO and playing with different frt/r splits. I find myself using AUTO less and less

If your willing to spend some time learning the car you will be rewarded with a spectacular experience.

The STi pink rev C lowering springs should have shipped with the car IMHO.

pk!

 

Huh?

 

Speaking of keeping dummies on the road... I've managed to bring the rear end out around a wide left turn, but not on the stock tires. It was by far the most predictable slide I've ever done in any car.

I haven't driven an STI as of yet but I have to doubt it can match the Evo as far as communication factor is concerned.

 

Who said ANYTHING about unpredicatble? Sure the STi CAN be, but so can the EVO. The only time that the STi is more unpredicable than any other car out there is on very rough surfaces, like say across ruts at WOT in a rallyX.

Also the STi can go to WOT a whole hell of alot earlier in the corner than anyother car I have seen, ridden in, or driven. Basicly you have to use traditional 50/50 AWD split driving techniques combined with some new "tricks" that the front diff allows you. So brake late, brake hard, switch to trailbrakingvery briefly then stand on the gas and ride the front diff around the corner. You should be at WOT well before the apex of most corners on the street. On a track a more traditional cornering approch may be better though as I haven't tried a track day with my STi yet.

Oh and IMO the steering in the STI is MORE precise than the EVO's once you really start pushing the car hard. The EVOs rack is too quick with a hair trigger steering response. The STi's is still very precise, but in a fluid way. The slightly slower rack means that you can find the right speed to wind and unwind steeringlock w/o a problem. The EVO is more hair triggered and harder to hit just the right spot when the car starts to rotate. However both are so close its a manner of degree.

 

Ok. Your description of the STi's handling made it sound that way. I find the STi doesn't feel very good on the limit, but I'm very particular about handling balance. I'd have to disagree with your statement that the Evo handles unpredictably.

It kind of a long story...but if you're able to use WOT well before the apex of your corners that means you're entering too slow. If you get hard on the power before your apex, you're artificially lowering your cornering speed.

What you're describing is a classic symptom of cars with poor turn-in characteristics and not enough feedback. You start braking too soon and too much becuase they you're not comfortable with how the car feels at the limit. Then you get on the throttle right after turn in and power all the way through. It feels good, but it's slower than cornering properly.

Emre

 

Um... No to all the points. If you don't feel that the STi is very good at the limit it means that you need some more time behind the wheel. Not saying that as a bad thing since I too need to clean up my driving... ALOT.

What you are also forgetting is that the front LSD is a torque biasing diff. It PULLS the front to the inside. So you can go to WOT before the apex as part of a PROPER line. It may require a slower minimum speed than a more traditional line, but the exit speed will be much faster. The heavy braking is used to unsettle the car if needed, which it might be given the stock tuning of the suspension is very anti-oversteer.

Really you can't IMAGINE what the STi's front diff does for handling until you have tried it. Unfortunately you can't actualy USE it till you get some real seat time in as its so alien to any conventional setup. Which is one of its downsides.... even professional race car drivers can't hop in and get 99% of its potential within the first day of driving. Well maybe they could if they already have driven non-suretrack subarus alot.

Also also finish with the front LSD is all but useless on the autoX course since most do not have long enough corners to allow the diff to wind up and be useful.

 

You should go pick up any of the major publications regarding the comparison of the two. I'm sure those guys have taken both cars to the limit.

 

If the STi handles so well and can (theoretically, according to XT6Wagon) produce higher corner exit speeds (which should create higher end-of-straight speeds), then why did it lose to the Evo VIII in the Top Gear challenge?

Lap time
STi--- 1:30.1
Lambo Murcielago--- 1:29.0
Evo--- 1:28.9

 

well the spec C beat out the FQK or what ever they call that EVO everyone here is always asking for, in EVO MAGS eCOTY issue.

You can always find a mag or whatever to show ones faster then the other one.

Buy the one you like and STFU and drive it.

Both are great cars and will destroy a FN Maxima

pk

 

The STi Type-UK is far far worse than our STi. Hell its basicly our WRX with bad cams, better turbo, better intercoolerm and a 6spd. Oh I guess they do get cast 17"s and brembos.

Then factor in that the UK EVO is NOT the US EVO. More power, lighter wieght, and active diffs or even lighter than normal.


As far as the major publications go most at BEST show *0* skill at driving a normal 50/50 torque split AWD car. Since thats how the STi handles when not using the front diff... It matters. This is also why the EVO is loved by them since its a AWD car that handles alot more like all the RWD cars they play with.

 

We're not talking about the spec C, so your point, if you even made one, is irrelevant.
I haven't read one mag where the STi beats an Evo around a track. Since you know of one, post it.
I agree, one should buy the car they like.
Of course they'll beat a stock Maxima, who said they wouldn't? Once again, your thinking is not coming across as rational or mature.
What kind of car do you drive? You don't have one listed. Is that because you're too young or poor to own one, or are you just too embarrassed to list your "unworthy" car?

 

Sorry, I'm not familiar with all of the specific differences between the U.S. STi and the UK STi. Could you list the major differences that would affect laptime? What are the GVWs? All I know is that the UK version has the 2.0L engine. I thought it still had DCCD and limited-slip.
The UK STi may be down on power a little, but the suspension should be more important around a small track. That's why the Evo could match the 580hp Murcielago in the Top Gear test.
Have you seen the video of the Top Gear challenge? I'd e-mail it to you if I could. They used the same professional driver to take all of the cars around the track. I agree, a lot of magazine writers and editors have questionable driving skills.

 

At least two reviews had the STi faster around a road course (I think vwvortex was one) and most had a faster 1/4 time. My point was you can always find a review to bolster your version of the facts. It's a waste of time. Drive them both and make an informed choice.

Oh and the USDM is pretty damn close to a Spec C suspension wise: change the springs and sways and you're about 90% there.

Oh I'm 38 and I figured I wouldn't have to spell it out for you. I figured the part about me driving one everyday would sorta clear that up(up a few posts)




I have a 04 STi.
pk!

 

The spec C isn't an STi, so your point about differing reviews was invalid.
I didn't recall your earlier post about your driving. Since you're proud of being an STi owner, how about doing everyone a favor and putting it in your profile? Thanks. There are too many kids on here that shout loudly and have no basis to back up their claims.
I guess magazines will just have to hire you as the STi driver so you can prove without a doubt that it handles better through turns than an Evo!

 

cars have the human ability to dream? hmmm...i think someone is a little "bias" ...EVO is an all around better car no matter how many terms you use buddy, or how much you tell people STI drivers can do the impossible...look at both cars mods, vs. stock. did you buy an STi and wish you bought any EVO? i think i smell regret ;-)