SCion TC good buy or not?
SCion TC good buy or not?
Hey... so a couple of months ago my brother wrecked my Lancer.
but then we got all the insurance money back + i have an extra Oz Rally gauge if anyone is interested with 30 K on it... but that is beside the point. Has anyone heard anythign about the scion Tc? how is the performance? I can't seem to find out if its a 2.4 L dual overhead cam or single but its crappy 5700 k redline is a drag. Or is there another car I should get? holla back
pezz boi
but then we got all the insurance money back + i have an extra Oz Rally gauge if anyone is interested with 30 K on it... but that is beside the point. Has anyone heard anythign about the scion Tc? how is the performance? I can't seem to find out if its a 2.4 L dual overhead cam or single but its crappy 5700 k redline is a drag. Or is there another car I should get? holla backpezz boi
Its supposedly a really great car. I saw it at the Chicago auto show, and I was impressed with its blend of style elemnets. In my opinion heres how I see it...
Headlights look like new BMW headlights (think new 5)
Front end has a squared up look, much like the R34 Skyline
Side view mirrors remind me of Mercedes units
Dont remember much about the rear, some have drawn comparisons to the new GTO
And finally, the 3/4s view reminds me greatly of the g35 coupe....
These are my opinions, I realize people might disagree. As far as the engine, its the 2.4 litre unit out of the Camry, and it has dual overhead cams. No idea of redline, but it does have 160 hp and 163 ftlbs of torque. Not a bad setup, seeing as how a supercharger can be a dealer installed option that is fully warrantied. (See the light yet Mitsu on this whole aftermarket? Nope, didnt think so) Also, the cars starts at like 16,900 which is dirt cheap considering it has a mp3 player, 17 inch wheels, and a dual pannel sun roof all standard...
Headlights look like new BMW headlights (think new 5)
Front end has a squared up look, much like the R34 Skyline
Side view mirrors remind me of Mercedes units
Dont remember much about the rear, some have drawn comparisons to the new GTO
And finally, the 3/4s view reminds me greatly of the g35 coupe....
These are my opinions, I realize people might disagree. As far as the engine, its the 2.4 litre unit out of the Camry, and it has dual overhead cams. No idea of redline, but it does have 160 hp and 163 ftlbs of torque. Not a bad setup, seeing as how a supercharger can be a dealer installed option that is fully warrantied. (See the light yet Mitsu on this whole aftermarket? Nope, didnt think so) Also, the cars starts at like 16,900 which is dirt cheap considering it has a mp3 player, 17 inch wheels, and a dual pannel sun roof all standard...
yea my friend wants that car too, supposedly this friday in san francisco, the dealerships are getting the Scion tC's in for show. But I don't know if its the same for other places
sick.. dood.. i totally agreee with the look.. it has a mild g35 look and the 17s are sweet. Furthermore the dual moonroofs are pretty sick... i didn't know the factory can install a supercharger... do u know how much hp it would be with the sc?
pezzboi
pezzboi
Im hearing around 210+, and Im sure its a conservative setup. The car wont set any land speed records, but with 210 hp it will be a nice little performer....
FYI, I believe the supercharger is made by Blitz.....
Yea, if my Lancer actually had a decent resale value, I would definately be lining up for one, but alas at 35000 miles I own a decent car thats only worth a bit over 10 grand....
Something else to think about, if Hotchkiss does a suspension setup similar to the one they offer for the current Celica, the car will handle. Granted the test was done on a tight short track that caters more to handling than horsepower, but the Hotchkiss Celica outlaped a stock Evo. I believe the only power mods to the Celica were an intake and exhaust. Yea comparing stock to modified is like aplles to oranges, but its impressive none the less....
FYI, I believe the supercharger is made by Blitz.....
Yea, if my Lancer actually had a decent resale value, I would definately be lining up for one, but alas at 35000 miles I own a decent car thats only worth a bit over 10 grand....
Something else to think about, if Hotchkiss does a suspension setup similar to the one they offer for the current Celica, the car will handle. Granted the test was done on a tight short track that caters more to handling than horsepower, but the Hotchkiss Celica outlaped a stock Evo. I believe the only power mods to the Celica were an intake and exhaust. Yea comparing stock to modified is like aplles to oranges, but its impressive none the less....
Originally Posted by Tristar Racing
Im hearing around 210+, and Im sure its a conservative setup. The car wont set any land speed records, but with 210 hp it will be a nice little performer....
FYI, I believe the supercharger is made by Blitz.....
Yea, if my Lancer actually had a decent resale value, I would definately be lining up for one, but alas at 35000 miles I own a decent car thats only worth a bit over 10 grand....
Something else to think about, if Hotchkiss does a suspension setup similar to the one they offer for the current Celica, the car will handle. Granted the test was done on a tight short track that caters more to handling than horsepower, but the Hotchkiss Celica outlaped a stock Evo. I believe the only power mods to the Celica were an intake and exhaust. Yea comparing stock to modified is like aplles to oranges, but its impressive none the less....
FYI, I believe the supercharger is made by Blitz.....
Yea, if my Lancer actually had a decent resale value, I would definately be lining up for one, but alas at 35000 miles I own a decent car thats only worth a bit over 10 grand....
Something else to think about, if Hotchkiss does a suspension setup similar to the one they offer for the current Celica, the car will handle. Granted the test was done on a tight short track that caters more to handling than horsepower, but the Hotchkiss Celica outlaped a stock Evo. I believe the only power mods to the Celica were an intake and exhaust. Yea comparing stock to modified is like aplles to oranges, but its impressive none the less....
$10k, eh? I took my 03 Lancer with something like 30k on it to the dealer for an appraisel, they told me something like $73xx. Wonder why the resell value is so low...
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yea the mazda 3 is great too.. pushing 160 also.. and with stock HIDs.. pretty sick... its just this is a coupe and that stock sc is looking nice... 210 a pretty setup... how much more would it tag along in terms of price?
pezzhead
pezzhead
I wanted the tC but i couldnt wait. After test driving the M3 i was sold, and i believe that the supercharger only gives you 40hp, making the total 200, not 210. The dual moon roofs/sun roofs, whatever are pretty pimp thou.
I didnt even know people were excited about this car, but this week im hearing alot about it for some reason. Nothing that excites me really........well the price is good :?





Another) One For The Kids: Toyota's Youth Division Adds A Third Model
By WES RAYNAL
2005 SCION tC
ON SALE: Now
BASE PRICE: $16,465
POWERTRAIN: 2.4-liter, 160-hp, 163-lb-ft I4; fwd, five-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 2905 pounds
0 TO 60 MPH: 8.0 seconds (est.)
FIRST, A REFRESHER: TOYOTA launched the Scion division two years ago, wanting to bring young buyers into the fold. Scion offers two inexpensive cars aimed at the youth market, the xA and xB (AW, April 28, 2003). Then Scion offers a slew of stuff with which to modify these cars, or in Scion-speak, "personalize" them, something Gen-Yers love to do. You can get wheel/tire packages and superchargers and interior doodads and body kits, 40-some accessories in all. The idea behind Scion is to suck 'em in young to the inexpensive line, graduate to Toyota, and wind up in a Lexus-all while treating customers right. And guess what? It has worked pretty well: On sale in half the states, Scion has averaged 5000 sales a month of xA and xB. This month Scion goes on sale nationwide at those Toyota dealers that have signed on to carry the brand.
Now Scion is bringing a third model, the tC, to market. Unlike the xA and xB, home-market Japanese cars modified for the United States, tC is designed and built for the U.S.-only Scion brand, with our kids the primary market.
Why the third model? Scion boss Jim Farley says the tC, a coupe, is a must in rounding out the Scion lineup. For starters, he says, Scion's research uncovered the coupe as the most popular body style. "Young trendsetters want sleek cars that offer utility," Farley explains. "Even as Scion continues to be a work in progress, we knew we could develop a new car with sedan interior packaging and hatchback versatility to attract both sedan and coupe buyers."
The tC's shape is a bit Acura RSX-ish, while the interior looks to be of high quality. The 2.4-liter four is shared with the Camry.
Second, Farley says, Scion needs to test what it calls the "premium" concept. Scion has found that Gen-Y trendsetters have higher luxury-brand intentions vs. older generations (including their parents). Translation: They want Audis and BMWs, but can't afford them. Further, Scion reasons that while xA and xB have loads of equipment, they are not premium cars compared to the tC, which is based on Toyota's European Volkswagen Passat competitor, the Avensis. Farley figures young buyers will go for the tC, since the only other real choice is the Acura RSX, or a used 3 Series or Audi A4, but those cars are priced in the $20,000-to-$25,000 range, while the tC costs less than $17,000.
Third, Scion needs a car offering more performance than the xA or xB. Those cars are powered by a 1.5-liter, 108-hp four. "To be credible to the tuners," Farley says, "we needed real performance; our 2.4-liter four [at 160 hp] has unlimited tuning capability. With the optional supercharger, it develops 200 hp."
Scion folk love to talk about value, and the tC, developed in just 13 months, is a pretty good one. For a base of $16,465, the tC has oodles of standard equipment including air conditioning, sunroof, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS, 160-watt AM/FM/CD stereo, tilt wheel, keyless entry, cruise control and power windows, mirrors and door locks.
Then there is the personalization. Buyers can specify 18- or 19-inch alloys (17-inchers are standard), a stereo upgrade, tons of interior mods, an AEM cold-air intake, stainless-steel sport exhaust, fog lamps, rear spoiler, a TRD supercharger (not yet priced), even a carbon fiber hood. A four-speed automatic transmission is available for $800.
The tC rides on MacPherson struts in front and a double-wishbone setup in the rear. Another accessory available is a TRD suspension-lowering kit, which brings the car down half an inch. The aluminum 2.4-liter four, shared with the Camry, develops 163 lb-ft of torque.
We spent a day driving tCs with various equipment levels, from base to supercharged models. It's a good-looking little coupe, this tC-sort of RSX-like. No, it doesn't stand out on the road like the xB, but for some buyers that will be a good thing. Interior materials, including the plastics, look first-rate, especially at this sticker price. Chief engineer Shigeyuki Hori (he also did the MR2, Prius and Celica) says the VW Jetta was the ride/handling target for tC.
All the tCs were pretty quick, feeling nimble and light on their feet and offering good, quick steering and comfortable and supportive seats. There is good room in front and the back seat has useful room as well-anybody under six foot shouldn't have a problem back there.
Our favorite version of the tC has the cold-air intake package and sport exhaust. That car is plenty fast enough, the exhaust note just that little bit nastier (in a good way).
Scion is about to get more competition: Nissan plans to bring its Japan-market Cube to the States hoping to grab some younger buyers, and word on the street is Honda will bring its Fit small car Stateside as well. For Toyota, it seems, the tC comes just in time.





Another) One For The Kids: Toyota's Youth Division Adds A Third Model
By WES RAYNAL
2005 SCION tC
ON SALE: Now
BASE PRICE: $16,465
POWERTRAIN: 2.4-liter, 160-hp, 163-lb-ft I4; fwd, five-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 2905 pounds
0 TO 60 MPH: 8.0 seconds (est.)
FIRST, A REFRESHER: TOYOTA launched the Scion division two years ago, wanting to bring young buyers into the fold. Scion offers two inexpensive cars aimed at the youth market, the xA and xB (AW, April 28, 2003). Then Scion offers a slew of stuff with which to modify these cars, or in Scion-speak, "personalize" them, something Gen-Yers love to do. You can get wheel/tire packages and superchargers and interior doodads and body kits, 40-some accessories in all. The idea behind Scion is to suck 'em in young to the inexpensive line, graduate to Toyota, and wind up in a Lexus-all while treating customers right. And guess what? It has worked pretty well: On sale in half the states, Scion has averaged 5000 sales a month of xA and xB. This month Scion goes on sale nationwide at those Toyota dealers that have signed on to carry the brand.
Now Scion is bringing a third model, the tC, to market. Unlike the xA and xB, home-market Japanese cars modified for the United States, tC is designed and built for the U.S.-only Scion brand, with our kids the primary market.
Why the third model? Scion boss Jim Farley says the tC, a coupe, is a must in rounding out the Scion lineup. For starters, he says, Scion's research uncovered the coupe as the most popular body style. "Young trendsetters want sleek cars that offer utility," Farley explains. "Even as Scion continues to be a work in progress, we knew we could develop a new car with sedan interior packaging and hatchback versatility to attract both sedan and coupe buyers."
The tC's shape is a bit Acura RSX-ish, while the interior looks to be of high quality. The 2.4-liter four is shared with the Camry.
Second, Farley says, Scion needs to test what it calls the "premium" concept. Scion has found that Gen-Y trendsetters have higher luxury-brand intentions vs. older generations (including their parents). Translation: They want Audis and BMWs, but can't afford them. Further, Scion reasons that while xA and xB have loads of equipment, they are not premium cars compared to the tC, which is based on Toyota's European Volkswagen Passat competitor, the Avensis. Farley figures young buyers will go for the tC, since the only other real choice is the Acura RSX, or a used 3 Series or Audi A4, but those cars are priced in the $20,000-to-$25,000 range, while the tC costs less than $17,000.
Third, Scion needs a car offering more performance than the xA or xB. Those cars are powered by a 1.5-liter, 108-hp four. "To be credible to the tuners," Farley says, "we needed real performance; our 2.4-liter four [at 160 hp] has unlimited tuning capability. With the optional supercharger, it develops 200 hp."
Scion folk love to talk about value, and the tC, developed in just 13 months, is a pretty good one. For a base of $16,465, the tC has oodles of standard equipment including air conditioning, sunroof, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS, 160-watt AM/FM/CD stereo, tilt wheel, keyless entry, cruise control and power windows, mirrors and door locks.
Then there is the personalization. Buyers can specify 18- or 19-inch alloys (17-inchers are standard), a stereo upgrade, tons of interior mods, an AEM cold-air intake, stainless-steel sport exhaust, fog lamps, rear spoiler, a TRD supercharger (not yet priced), even a carbon fiber hood. A four-speed automatic transmission is available for $800.
The tC rides on MacPherson struts in front and a double-wishbone setup in the rear. Another accessory available is a TRD suspension-lowering kit, which brings the car down half an inch. The aluminum 2.4-liter four, shared with the Camry, develops 163 lb-ft of torque.
We spent a day driving tCs with various equipment levels, from base to supercharged models. It's a good-looking little coupe, this tC-sort of RSX-like. No, it doesn't stand out on the road like the xB, but for some buyers that will be a good thing. Interior materials, including the plastics, look first-rate, especially at this sticker price. Chief engineer Shigeyuki Hori (he also did the MR2, Prius and Celica) says the VW Jetta was the ride/handling target for tC.
All the tCs were pretty quick, feeling nimble and light on their feet and offering good, quick steering and comfortable and supportive seats. There is good room in front and the back seat has useful room as well-anybody under six foot shouldn't have a problem back there.
Our favorite version of the tC has the cold-air intake package and sport exhaust. That car is plenty fast enough, the exhaust note just that little bit nastier (in a good way).
Scion is about to get more competition: Nissan plans to bring its Japan-market Cube to the States hoping to grab some younger buyers, and word on the street is Honda will bring its Fit small car Stateside as well. For Toyota, it seems, the tC comes just in time.
the sc that is provided is of course TRD in house, there is a blitz sc as well, but to my knowledge they are totally different, i hear that the target bhp is 200bhp with the sc, but fear not, with a few proper upgrades, im sure one can target a little higher with hopes of possibly 230bhp (ecu retune, opening up exhaust, oilcooler.....and last bu not least a litle bump to the boost =-))


