dont think you can compare twin turbos (this is starting to be a blue and black horse) on a subaru vs a mazda. FLAT 4 vs inline 4. TT on the subaru makes sense cuz it has 2 cylinder banks. TT on the inline is possible and good reasons for it but I would think not likely.

 

I agree this car will be great.

 

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your attitude. Id expect more from a college grad. Oh well, since you know best I guess Ill just keep quiet, not waste my time. Mark another one down for "******* know-it-all" Evo owner.....

 

Disappointments me that theres going to be more wannabe Evos/Stis

 

Just like the Evo is a wannabe AWD DSM?? And those are a wannabe Mazda 323 GTX?? And thats a wannabe old school Audi turbo Quattro???? None of those cars I just talked about have anything to do with what I was saying they are a 'wannabe' of. The similarities are AWD and turbo, but thats about it. Just because they are making an AWD and Turbo car doesn't mean that the Evo and STi are the inspiration and the only ones they are looking to compete with. There are lots of sporty 4-doors out there for good competition. You have the Legacy GT and the A4 Quattro for a couple very good examples. The Evo and STi are just in a different league than this car will be positioned in. The Evo and STi are hardcore drivers cars, that just happen to have 4 doors and some decent room. I see this car going more for the luxury type 4 door with a good deal of performance. We'll have to see what the final spec of the car is, but I don't think its going to be a competitor for the Evo and STi. Just don't think that just because they have a car with AWD and Turbo that they are trying to be a 'wannabe' Evo or STi.

Hilg

 

^^^ good post. I was waiting for all the evo/sTI owners to call BS Flag or start flamming mazda. All the srt4 boys are probably pitching a ***** now . Anyways, this car looks great, its a mazda with its sweet interior and its performance is crazy nice. I hope it comes with a even sweeter interior, if this car makes production, i will def pick this up. Ive always like mazda superior interior and quality, they just didnt have the power, now they do and i will keep a keen eye on this car.

 

I like it. just hope they dont end up like the 323 gtx's,,,cant find parts for them!

 

Untill you have take college courses in fluid dynamics and turbo machinery, please mind your comments and refrain from judging how much knowledge fellow members have on the subject of forced induction. Of course your narrow mind cant see any advantages to the setup. I would expect nothing less.....

By the way, the overall size of the engine bay, not the engine, would dictate space. If it was senquential, and you actually knew what that was or spent the time finding out, you would realize the turbos are mounted in series going into the intake manifold. Besides piping, the overall size wouldnt be an issue, especially in a car as decently sized as the Mazda 6. Perhaps your assuming their twin setup would be much like that on a V8, with one turbo serving each bank of cylinders.....

Now can anyone with "more knowledge" chime in witha reply...

Let's see... That would be "UNTIL you have TAKEN college courses"... CAN'T has an apostrophe... There is no such word as "senquential"... "WOULDN'T also has an apostrophe... and that would be "Perhaps YOU'RE assuming - not perhaps your assuming. I'll chalk up the "witha reply" to just pure hyper-educated, overzealous stupididiidididty.

Did you take any English classes while you were in college, genius?
I'm amazed that you spelled "knowledge" correctly.

 

It would be sweeter with a twin turbo 6 cylinder! Now that would be a beast.

 

I got a crazy idea, maybe its just a friggin' misprint. I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more then a standard single turbo setup. Neat car though.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his post.

If he's so smart, why can't he spell.

The "perhaps your assuming" really got to me as well.

 

Didn't Doug's Dynopower in Texas twin turbo a Plymouth Laser? I can't think of very many other twin turbo 4 cyl. cars, factory or otherwise.

 

This is interesting, I wonder though also about this car being a twin turbo because of simplicity and cost. Since the motor is a 2.3 litre, it seems as though they have enough displacement to get away with using one turbo and probably not have TOO much turbo lag. Anyways, this is pretty cool, I'm glad some other companies are getting in on the 4 cyl. Turbo AWD market.

 

I can learn more in 4 hours reading a book on forced induction than I did in 4 years of college. I hate it when people throw out the "I have a Master's degree, and..." and use that as proof of knowledge on a subject matter. It doesn't mean anything that you have a graduate level degree, because you either don't know turbo charging or you refuse to admit you're wrong. What Tristar posted is exactly correct - a sequential twin turbo is feasible for a single bank engine (even a 1 cylinder). Does it make sense from a cost perspective? Not really. It does make a lot of sense from a powerband perspective, because you end up with a big fat torque curve - but without the peak of a large single turbo. Mazda could also use a setup similar to the S4 Biturbo, which had a very flat torque curve.

And, of course, it's quite possible that it's simply a misprint. There were numerous articles about the Evo stating it was twin-turbo, when it obviously wasn't and they meant twin-scroll turbo.

 

read this article on the mazda 6. its says that the car will be a turbocharged 4. this article doesn't say anything about bein a twin-turbo set up. so they might have been talkin about the turbo bein a twin-scroll, or even thought of it bein twin-turbo 6.