Virginia Exhaust Violations
Mar 7, 2006, 11:12 AM
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Virginia is pretty bad. Your case is going nowhere though might as well give up now. Just dont drive like a jackass through Virginia and you'll be fine...and dont have your radar detector in the windshield, they hate that. I drive through northern virginia all the damn time in my evo with a Ti Greddy exhaust and noone says anything to me.
Mar 7, 2006, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt
What are Virginia cops like with out of state motorists? I will be passing through in two months. If it is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, I think I will get my stock exhaust out of storage an put it back on.
I think the chances of you being hassled while just passing through are slim but it's always possible. If you do get a ticket it's $30+$57 court costs.
Mar 9, 2006, 05:23 AM
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i've had about three warnings from my exhaust on my evo (br turboback and br muffler) but never received a ticket. I've had modified VW's for years in VA and never had a problem.
Mar 10, 2006, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by smittyinva
Wrong. The law states:
"§ 46.2-1049. Exhaust system in good working order. No person shall drive and no owner of a motor vehicle shall permit or allow the operation of any vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment, in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise. An exhaust system shall not be deemed to prevent excessive or unusual noise if it permits the escape of noise in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make."
The phrase "...of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle..." makes the ENTIRE law subjective and discretionary which means that any officer can enforce it at thier leisure and as they please.
Thank you for posting your experience. I did not intend to create a debate thread.
"§ 46.2-1049. Exhaust system in good working order. No person shall drive and no owner of a motor vehicle shall permit or allow the operation of any vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment, in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise. An exhaust system shall not be deemed to prevent excessive or unusual noise if it permits the escape of noise in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make."
The phrase "...of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle..." makes the ENTIRE law subjective and discretionary which means that any officer can enforce it at thier leisure and as they please.
Thank you for posting your experience. I did not intend to create a debate thread.
Mar 10, 2006, 09:58 AM
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VA cops are definitely the worst. I got a speeding ticket for 8mph over on my way home from buying the Evo! For a data point to support your profiling theory, my wife drives a 325iT with a UUC Corsa catback that is loud as hell, and she's never been pulled over 
Mar 10, 2006, 11:27 AM
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I am an attorney in virginia and have an evo w/ an aftermarket exhaust (and have been pulled over for the exhaust)
its really simple.......never admit the exhaust is not factory..........don't lie about it, just don't answer the questions (ever heard of the 5th amendment ;-))
if you don't admit its aftermarkert, and are willing to go to court and fight it, the judge SHOULD dismiss your case
however, in court you can't testify, 'cause then you are under oath and would have to admit its aftermarket
when the officer is done testifying, tell the judge you move to have the case dismissed for insufficient evidence (ie, they have no evidence it is not a stock or comprable exhaust and they can't prove its louder than stock (what are they going to do, bring a sound clip of a stock evo exhaust in)
but if you admit it is an aftermarket exhaust, that plus the officer's testimony it was loud will get you convicted.
and yes, there is nothing illegal about profiling us 'cause of the cars we drive....
we are not a protected class (age, sex, race, etc.)
now if you want to know what to do in a DUI stop, that is a longer converasation
its really simple.......never admit the exhaust is not factory..........don't lie about it, just don't answer the questions (ever heard of the 5th amendment ;-))
if you don't admit its aftermarkert, and are willing to go to court and fight it, the judge SHOULD dismiss your case
however, in court you can't testify, 'cause then you are under oath and would have to admit its aftermarket
when the officer is done testifying, tell the judge you move to have the case dismissed for insufficient evidence (ie, they have no evidence it is not a stock or comprable exhaust and they can't prove its louder than stock (what are they going to do, bring a sound clip of a stock evo exhaust in)
but if you admit it is an aftermarket exhaust, that plus the officer's testimony it was loud will get you convicted.
and yes, there is nothing illegal about profiling us 'cause of the cars we drive....
we are not a protected class (age, sex, race, etc.)
now if you want to know what to do in a DUI stop, that is a longer converasation
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Mar 10, 2006, 11:37 AM
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I was warned the 1st time, the pork was a rookie, told him it was 50 state legal
2nd time cop said why do you have this coffee can on the car and I just laughed. That was when I sold my HKS 30th anniversary, and sporting a Greddy SP 80mm fairfax county police are just dumb and ignorant
. Instead of catching theives and robbers, rapist, sex offenders, drug pushers & addicts all they do is pull over shiny cars and hassle them. you know why, because they can't afford it with their 30k salaries , and that is the closest they will ever get to a car.
2nd time cop said why do you have this coffee can on the car and I just laughed. That was when I sold my HKS 30th anniversary, and sporting a Greddy SP 80mm fairfax county police are just dumb and ignorant
. Instead of catching theives and robbers, rapist, sex offenders, drug pushers & addicts all they do is pull over shiny cars and hassle them. you know why, because they can't afford it with their 30k salaries , and that is the closest they will ever get to a car.
Mar 10, 2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Drift4
I was warned the 1st time, the pork was a rookie, told him it was 50 state legal
2nd time cop said why do you have this coffee can on the car and I just laughed. That was when I sold my HKS 30th anniversary, and sporting a Greddy SP 80mm fairfax county police are just dumb and ignorant . Instead of catching theives and robbers, rapist, sex offenders, drug pushers & addicts all they do is pull over shiny cars and hassle them. you know why, because they can't afford it with their 30k salaries , and that is the closest they will ever get to a car.
2nd time cop said why do you have this coffee can on the car and I just laughed. That was when I sold my HKS 30th anniversary, and sporting a Greddy SP 80mm fairfax county police are just dumb and ignorant
. Instead of catching theives and robbers, rapist, sex offenders, drug pushers & addicts all they do is pull over shiny cars and hassle them. you know why, because they can't afford it with their 30k salaries , and that is the closest they will ever get to a car.
Mar 15, 2006, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nasa ser
I am an attorney in virginia and have an evo w/ an aftermarket exhaust (and have been pulled over for the exhaust)
its really simple.......never admit the exhaust is not factory..........don't lie about it, just don't answer the questions (ever heard of the 5th amendment ;-))
if you don't admit its aftermarkert, and are willing to go to court and fight it, the judge SHOULD dismiss your case
however, in court you can't testify, 'cause then you are under oath and would have to admit its aftermarket
when the officer is done testifying, tell the judge you move to have the case dismissed for insufficient evidence (ie, they have no evidence it is not a stock or comprable exhaust and they can't prove its louder than stock (what are they going to do, bring a sound clip of a stock evo exhaust in)
but if you admit it is an aftermarket exhaust, that plus the officer's testimony it was loud will get you convicted.
and yes, there is nothing illegal about profiling us 'cause of the cars we drive....
we are not a protected class (age, sex, race, etc.)
now if you want to know what to do in a DUI stop, that is a longer converasation
its really simple.......never admit the exhaust is not factory..........don't lie about it, just don't answer the questions (ever heard of the 5th amendment ;-))
if you don't admit its aftermarkert, and are willing to go to court and fight it, the judge SHOULD dismiss your case
however, in court you can't testify, 'cause then you are under oath and would have to admit its aftermarket
when the officer is done testifying, tell the judge you move to have the case dismissed for insufficient evidence (ie, they have no evidence it is not a stock or comprable exhaust and they can't prove its louder than stock (what are they going to do, bring a sound clip of a stock evo exhaust in)
but if you admit it is an aftermarket exhaust, that plus the officer's testimony it was loud will get you convicted.
and yes, there is nothing illegal about profiling us 'cause of the cars we drive....
we are not a protected class (age, sex, race, etc.)
now if you want to know what to do in a DUI stop, that is a longer converasation
Mar 27, 2006, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by nasa ser
its really simple.......never admit the exhaust is not factory..........don't lie about it, just don't answer the questions (ever heard of the 5th amendment ;-))
Apr 12, 2006, 12:41 PM
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I got pulled in my Eclipse for the exhaust back in '04 (only time). The cop *****ed and complained about how altered exhausts are illegal in VA and whatnot, even though my car was registered in Kansas (military). He still tried to give me a ticket. But after showing him my military ID and cussing him out without cussing, he left with his tail b/w his legs.
Hey nasa ser, thanks for the info. Once I get an exhaust on my Evo, I'm pretty sure I'll put your advice to good use.
Hey nasa ser, thanks for the info. Once I get an exhaust on my Evo, I'm pretty sure I'll put your advice to good use.
May 16, 2006, 02:34 AM
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I never had any problems with any exhaust in VA... my Supra was loud as fock but cops never gave me hard time about exhaust although I did get pulled over for stupid things like bluish white bulbs in turn signal(came with the car and didn't bother to change them out...). I guess they indeed are profiling against some cars. Well, if you do get pulled over, just do what nasa ser suggested. I'm gonna be in VA for summer and will be putting on my Greddy Evo2 exhaust on my G, so hopefully I won't have any problems. My car is easily spotted with the bodykit that I recently put on so I'm just crossing my fingers... hehe.
May 21, 2006, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Drift4
Instead of catching theives and robbers, rapist, sex offenders, drug pushers & addicts all they do is pull over shiny cars and hassle them.
They've out-sourced traffic management, and as long as the roads look busy while you're in the gridlocked packs, it looks like a "big" (read "expensive") job.
This is the national capital: this whole region is based on getting more revenue to do an increasingly bad job, to make even the simplest jobs look impossible.
Heck, I can't even order a pizza in this area without them messing up the order.
The "political action groups" are shills for developers who know that condo developments on the doorsteps of the metro stations pull far higher prices, above and beyond the already bloated market. So the push is to ban cars and build more metro stations (e.g. Tyson's Corner).
If people think that the bad traffic here is due to volume, we need to send the local government officials to New York City to see how it's done.
And while they're out of town, we can change the locks on their office doors.
What we need are elected officials who know how to drive. But in the shadow of Ted (u-boat commander) K. and co, ...
So the first thing you have to ask yourself is: Did you vote in the last local election?
(Of course, it's not real encouraging that they're using voting machines based on the most hackable O/S on earth.)
Remember that line from "Sin City"? "Once you get people to agree to what they know isn't true, you've got them ..."
See why half the cars parked in my (VA) neighborhood have MD tags on them?
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