Notices

MR's throttle delay, need answers

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 26, 2010 | 12:33 PM
  #1  
vassili's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
From: Canada
MR's throttle delay, need answers

now i know this is a hotly debated topic. i've read alot of the threads, but they end up in a pissing match between people who own throttle controllers and those who think they're stupid.

imaging this scenario in the MR (i don't have to imagine because i live it everyday lol) :

i'm in 1st gear as i'm stopped at the intersection waiting to turn left. i see a car comming, but think i have enough time to make the turn.

so i press the gas a little harder than usual, maybe 1/2 way, thinking i'll get some good acceleration off the line and beat the on comming car. but i literally get like a .5-1 sec lag where it just sort of putters into the turn. it's now too late to stop as i'm in the other car's way. i panic and mash the pedal all the way. after another .1 sec delay, my car goes WOT and takes off.

now i believe a throttle controller could help with this as many owners have attested to. but the makers themselves and "anti throttle controller" peeps claim it makes no difference to 0-60 times. what i don't know is whether they taking brake boosting into the equation during hard launches for drag racing...

if it does alleviate this "hit the pedal, nothing happens for .5sec" problem like alot of owners say it does, i don't see how it couldn't improve a 0-60 time when not brake boosting...like when just casually accelerating off the line at a light.

if the throttle response comes faster with a TC, how are you not getting off the line faster, therefore improving your 0-60 time? again, not brake boosting, but simply pedal to the metal from a full

Also, there's a mention in an article for the FQ330-SST that it does not exhibit this problem. did they remap the TCU/ECU?

i'd really like to know
Reply
Old May 26, 2010 | 12:45 PM
  #2  
El_Kameleon_G's Avatar
Newbie
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
From: TX
I use a TC and it does eliminate the throttle lag, but I have a GSR. 0-60 times technically will be the same but without the delay. Just think of it as having a cable throttle body. For about $200 (or so) you can get the D1 Throttle Controller; it's an easy install and comes with good instructions. I highly recommend it especially with the MR.

Edit: Since 0-60 mph times are the same, I would ASSUME 0-60 ft times would be slightly better. I've never tested it myself or have heard much about that.

Last edited by El_Kameleon_G; May 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM. Reason: Additional info
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 03:58 AM
  #3  
darkside2's Avatar
Newbie
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
From: Central Valley, CA
vassili let me know what you find. mines been doing this too. it also blinks on the shifter console when its in reverse and will not go into gear. i thought it was just my transmission. i was going to have my mr serviced/warrantied. other evo owners told me i needed more and/or correct fluids. ive had similar run ins with on coming traffic and now i just stomp the gas.
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 10:09 AM
  #4  
St1g's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
sorry, i'm new to these "throttle controllers"... how do they work?

yeah, trying to get into traffic from a stop really sucks--there's no power until the car hits ~3k rpm. but i always attributed that to turbo lag. how does the throttle controller help?

perhaps one way to get that instant speed needed is to preload with one foot on the brake, kinda like a pseudo launch mode. of course, that's probably not so good for the clutch mechanisms of sst.
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 11:16 AM
  #5  
Mendo's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
From: Houston/San Marcos, TX
Originally Posted by darkside2
. it also blinks on the shifter console when its in reverse and will not go into gear
this is completely normal... gear blockage or something like that. it will do it once in a while. shift to D then back and it will b fine
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 11:34 AM
  #6  
St1g's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
Originally Posted by Mendo
this is completely normal... gear blockage or something like that. it will do it once in a while. shift to D then back and it will b fine
never happened to me in 12,000mi, since new. does usually take 1-2s to get in reverse though from park.
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 06:39 PM
  #7  
Jettech's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: NY
The R blinking is in your owners manual , its normal . Just put it in N or D and back to R .
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 06:58 PM
  #8  
tephra's Avatar
EvoM Guru
15 Year Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 9,486
Likes: 67
From: Melbourne, Australia
does normal/sport/supersport make a difference?

can you test that? if so we might have a solution for normal/sport modes
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 07:23 PM
  #9  
evo_soul's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,362
Likes: 1
From: the land between lancer and evo
Originally Posted by vassili
now i know this is a hotly debated topic. i've read alot of the threads, but they end up in a pissing match between people who own throttle controllers and those who think they're stupid.

imaging this scenario in the MR (i don't have to imagine because i live it everyday lol) :

i'm in 1st gear as i'm stopped at the intersection waiting to turn left. i see a car comming, but think i have enough time to make the turn.

so i press the gas a little harder than usual, maybe 1/2 way, thinking i'll get some good acceleration off the line and beat the on comming car. but i literally get like a .5-1 sec lag where it just sort of putters into the turn. it's now too late to stop as i'm in the other car's way. i panic and mash the pedal all the way. after another .1 sec delay, my car goes WOT and takes off.

now i believe a throttle controller could help with this as many owners have attested to. but the makers themselves and "anti throttle controller" peeps claim it makes no difference to 0-60 times. what i don't know is whether they taking brake boosting into the equation during hard launches for drag racing...

if it does alleviate this "hit the pedal, nothing happens for .5sec" problem like alot of owners say it does, i don't see how it couldn't improve a 0-60 time when not brake boosting...like when just casually accelerating off the line at a light.

if the throttle response comes faster with a TC, how are you not getting off the line faster, therefore improving your 0-60 time? again, not brake boosting, but simply pedal to the metal from a full

Also, there's a mention in an article for the FQ330-SST that it does not exhibit this problem. did they remap the TCU/ECU?

i'd really like to know
I have tested it on an MR and it works good for combatting the rolling lag that your kinda talking about.

How bout this. Do you live in Toronto.

If and i mean if i ma strong enough, and i can unhook mine from my car (sprintbooster) you can give it a try. lol its just a pain in the but to pull out. but it will color your world
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 07:43 PM
  #10  
Karnage541's Avatar
Evolving Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
From: Bayonne
My RA has the same problem. Im a noob with these things, where does it hook up and where can we get one for our cars?
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 08:30 PM
  #11  
El_Kameleon_G's Avatar
Newbie
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
From: TX
Originally Posted by Karnage541
My RA has the same problem. Im a noob with these things, where does it hook up and where can we get one for our cars?
https://www.gearheadsonline.ca/shop/...47&cat=0&page=

It plugs inline with your pedal.
Reply
Old May 28, 2010 | 09:07 PM
  #12  
GST Motorsports's Avatar
Account Disabled
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,366
Likes: 2
From: Hayward
Originally Posted by Karnage541
My RA has the same problem. Im a noob with these things, where does it hook up and where can we get one for our cars?
My RA does not anymore. It was a simple flash tweak

Are you getting it in all modes or just auto or just manual or?

- Bryan
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2010 | 06:38 PM
  #13  
Karnage541's Avatar
Evolving Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
From: Bayonne
Originally Posted by GST Motorsports
My RA does not anymore. It was a simple flash tweak

Are you getting it in all modes or just auto or just manual or?

- Bryan
In all modes, I havent flashed mine yet but I will try it before I get this. Hopefully it works cuz I hate the slow start that I get.
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2010 | 10:52 AM
  #14  
GST Motorsports's Avatar
Account Disabled
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,366
Likes: 2
From: Hayward
Originally Posted by Karnage541
In all modes, I havent flashed mine yet but I will try it before I get this. Hopefully it works cuz I hate the slow start that I get.
Yes this is fixable. On my personal RA it's completely gone.

- Bryan
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2010 | 12:56 PM
  #15  
HR2L's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 475
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, CA
My car is uber laggy in 1st gear, and can tell my throttle is being limited (very heavily). Its frustrating sometimes, especially when pulling out into traffic. I usually end up putting it into S-Sport just help compensate, but even then its still laggy...
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:31 AM.