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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:16 AM
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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first of all warr, i was only giving you a taste of your own medicine. if it were anyone else this is what i would've said...

Nice job. Congrats on the win. The guys you wanna gun for, Nationally are Bob Tunnel, Mark Daddio, and Vick Sias. Those guys are good. But to do that, you'll need to consider ungrading your car quite a bit and no offense but get some autoxing lessons from the Evolution Driving School (No it's not for Evos, it's just named Evolution by chance ). After that you'll just need a bunch of seat time to get better and i mean a bunch cause those guys you're up against have a lot. But if you keep at it you should catch them in due time. Anyway if you want some help on set-up feel free to ask. I'll either point you in the right direction or maybe have some pointers of my own. Good luck this year and i hope you kick some butt!

See that's what i normally would have replied if it were someone else. Being a little tactful is just being respectful even though you might not agree with the way someone has done something. I know you help a lot of people out a ton and you are well liked by some here, but just imagine if you used a little more tact when you try and help someone. People would respect you a lot more. But let me guess you really don't care?

As for Bob's times, trust me, if you know Bob he's not too worried and isn't even thinking about it. The guy is unflappable. They don't call him Mr. Sand Bagger for nothing. Just trust me on this when he's on his game, i guarantee you he'll win by 3 to 4 seconds against anyone but his top competitors. He is DA MAN!

Oh and btw, keep this in mind... Bob's times will really come down when it warms ups. You right now definitely have the advantage being in an AWD cause i'm sure it's still cold up there. RWD in the cold loses a ton of advantage against AWD. Take that FWIW.

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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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As for Bob's times, trust me, if you know Bob he's not too worried and isn't even thinking about it. The guy is unflappable. They don't call him Mr. Sand Bagger for nothing. Just trust me on this when he's on his game, i guarantee you he'll win by 3 to 4 seconds against anyone but his top competors. He is DA MAN!

Oh and btw, keep this in mind... Bob's times will really come down when it warms ups. You right now definitely have the advantage being in an AWD cause i'm sure it's still cold up there. RWD in the cold loses a ton of advantage against AWD. Take that FWIW.
Trust you that he doesn't care? I don't care if he cares or not - that's irrelevant. I was just showing how I compared to him as a novice on a set of brand new tires never before used or experienced while on the stock suspension with body roll that nearly makes my outer side scrape the ground. I don't expect to keep up with any national champions like him, but I do think it's good that I did so well relative to him in this first event.

For him to have beaten me by 3-4s in this event, he would have been FTD by about a second over everyone there, including the totally race-prepped C5 who did take FTD by 2.7s over me. I'm sure he's good, but I don't know if he's THAT good. I wasn't really far off the pace of the real race cars, but I didn't know that AWD had more of an advantage in the cold - yes, it was very cold.

The fact that we're even discussing this means to me that I'm doing something right. I will spend this whole year learning how to drive my Evo properly in hopes of maximizing the utility of the stock suspension. Only then will I consider upgrading the suspension - it's so good as it is, and I know my skills are not honed enough.

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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:45 AM
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Congrats dude. Let me know if any auto x's happen here in the Springs. I'll come out and watch.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
For him to have beaten me by 3-4s in this event, he would have been FTD by about a second over everyone there, including the totally race-prepped C5. I'm sure he's good, but I don't know if he's THAT good.
That's usually how the National champs are at a regional event. They will go out and set ftd on their first run by 2 or 3 seconds, and then they just keep getting faster. That is the guy you want to pace - watch him run and see what he does and when he does it. If you can get a ride-along. I learned a LOT this past year just really watching our resident go-fast guy Danny Popp.

I never would have thought you'd be auto-xing in Colorado in February, that's awesome. We are still a little over a month away from our opener. Nice job on the win, btw.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
For him to have beaten me by 3-4s in this event, he would have been FTD by about a second over everyone there, including the totally race-prepped C5. I'm sure he's good, but I don't know if he's THAT good. I wasn't really far off the pace of the real race cars, but I didn't know that AWD had more of an advantage in the cold - yes, it was very cold.
I've seen him do it before. Bob is regarded and respected in the Solo2 community as one of the best if not the best at what he does. He may not always be in the "fastest" car but his driving skills sure make up for it. If you ever follow the National scene, you'll start noticing autoxing is about drivers skill first and foremost. suspension setup is second and power third. I love noobs that first enter the sport (not saying you are) and think their 700 horsepower chevelle or mustang (i use these as examples cause i've seen it first hand ) will dominate cause they have a ton of hp. Well needless to say after their first race they are either humble or make a ton of excuses and never show their faces again.

You should start going to more National events. You will really get a feel of what autoxing is like when there are "real" prepped cars and really good drivers. Not just one here and there but ALL of them. You'll see what i'm talking about. You should also try a Pro Solo event. You'll have a blast. If you're not familiar, it's a mirrored autox course where you are racing another competitor on two separate courses. The start is a drag start and they use an official type christmas tree like you would have at the drag strip.

anyway mr warrtalon, i'm not trying to argue with you so i'll leave your thread to you and your groupies.

btw, even though i dislike you, good luck with your autox endeavors! have fun and be safe!
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:22 AM
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FYI: Alky injection is not legal in SM.

3.6 (Fuel)
B. Street Prepared, Street Modified, Prepared, and Modified class
vehicles may use diesel fuel or any grade of gasoline. Gasolines
consist entirely of hydrocarbon compounds. Gasoline may
contain antioxidants, metal deactivators, corrosion inhibitors
and lead alkyl compounds such as tetraethyl lead. Oxygen and/
or nitrogen bearing additives are prohibited, except for those
originally present in service station pump fuel. Oxygen and/or
nitrogen bearing oil additives are prohibited in two-cycle engine
oiling systems.

(Street Prepared)
K. Fuel tank changes are permitted only as allowed under 15.1.C
and 15.2.J. No additional tanks or reservoirs may be used.

However,

F. Intake water injection systems are allowed.

SM uses SP rules unless noted otherwise.

Regardless, it's good to hear your interested in Solo2.

Dave
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Silencer
FYI: Alky injection is not legal in SM.

3.6 (Fuel)
B. Street Prepared, Street Modified, Prepared, and Modified class
vehicles may use diesel fuel or any grade of gasoline. Gasolines
consist entirely of hydrocarbon compounds. Gasoline may
contain antioxidants, metal deactivators, corrosion inhibitors
and lead alkyl compounds such as tetraethyl lead. Oxygen and/
or nitrogen bearing additives are prohibited, except for those
originally present in service station pump fuel. Oxygen and/or
nitrogen bearing oil additives are prohibited in two-cycle engine
oiling systems.

(Street Prepared)
K. Fuel tank changes are permitted only as allowed under 15.1.C
and 15.2.J. No additional tanks or reservoirs may be used.

However,

F. Intake water injection systems are allowed.

SM uses SP rules unless noted otherwise.

Regardless, it's good to hear your interested in Solo2.

Dave
Thanks for the info, but where in there does it say alky injection is not allowed? I don't see it. And what does F correspond to? It says this is allowed, so I'm confused.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by talon2evo
Wartalon!

This is Norm in Fort Collins.. You MUST let me know when the next event is.. This is the reason I bought my evo.. I will be joining SCCA & joining you in the fun this year, cool?

Edit..: You ain't had fun till the SNOW auto-x's happen.. haha.. They rent the parking lot for a day, lets just say march, & then it snows that day. We AWD guys live supreme!
Norm, check out rmsolo.org . The next event is on March 26th back there at DIA. I'll be there again. This will be the day after I hit the first open test'n'tune session at PMI on the 25th. Lots of racing to be done!!

Go ahead and sign up for your SCCA membership through rmsolo.org, then register for the event - it's already open.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Theibault
Congrats dude. Let me know if any auto x's happen here in the Springs. I'll come out and watch.
The first SCCA-RM events in the Springs this season are on May 28th and 29th (2 in a row) at World Arena. Come on out and watch...
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 992gnt
That's usually how the National champs are at a regional event. They will go out and set ftd on their first run by 2 or 3 seconds, and then they just keep getting faster. That is the guy you want to pace - watch him run and see what he does and when he does it. If you can get a ride-along. I learned a LOT this past year just really watching our resident go-fast guy Danny Popp.

I never would have thought you'd be auto-xing in Colorado in February, that's awesome. We are still a little over a month away from our opener. Nice job on the win, btw.
Actually, I tried my best to do what you said. It was obvious that the C5 who took FTD was the fastest out there, so I watched him carefully from every vantage point possible on the track, then tried to mimic his lines and strategies. He had a co-driver who also beat me, so I got plenty of opportunities to watch that car in action. I think it really helped me prepare for each element. There was such a huge difference, though, when he went around turns without leaning, yet I was bouncing around like a weeble wobble. It was pretty funny, but tons of fun.

I will know to look out for Mr. Tunnell at all future events now. I had no idea who anyone was at this event, so I just tried to watch the fastest cars.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:32 AM
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I would like to know the rules on Alky injection myself, I wouldn't see why it wouldn't be allowed in SM.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by vtsnake
I've seen him do it before. Bob is regarded and respected in the Solo2 community as one of the best if not the best at what he does. He may not always be in the "fastest" car but his driving skills sure make up for it. If you ever follow the National scene, you'll start noticing autoxing is about drivers skill first and foremost. suspension setup is second and power third. I love noobs that first enter the sport (not saying you are) and think their 700 horsepower chevelle or mustang (i use these as examples cause i've seen it first hand ) will dominate cause they have a ton of hp. Well needless to say after their first race they are either humble or make a ton of excuses and never show their faces again.

You should start going to more National events. You will really get a feel of what autoxing is like when there are "real" prepped cars and really good drivers. Not just one here and there but ALL of them. You'll see what i'm talking about. You should also try a Pro Solo event. You'll have a blast. If you're not familiar, it's a mirrored autox course where you are racing another competitor on two separate courses. The start is a drag start and they use an official type christmas tree like you would have at the drag strip.
I agree on the HP thing. I had 2 powerful V8s (03 Cobra, LS1 SS) in my class lined up next to me in grid who thought they might do well, but they just got destroyed. Even with fat r-comps on all 4s, their big HP was too tough to handle. Not saying their cars wouldn't do well with a great driver, but they definitely were struggling.

I also plan to follow your advice with the National and ProSolo events. We have the TireRack Denver National Tour in mid-July, so I will be participating or at least attending that. Then, a week later, we have the TireRack Denver ProSolo event, which I totally plan to participate in. I will get to use my much-more-developed drag racing skills in combination with some hopefully-sharpened auto-x skills. That sounds like a blast.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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Rule of thumb: If the rules do not say it is allowed, then it is not legal. If you think about it, the rule book would probably be three times as thick if it listed everything that is not allowed vs. everything that is. I've submitted a few clarifications in the past and basically received the same answer. "Not in, not allowed".

This (my intention) by no means takes away from your driving skills.

Dave
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Nice job ... this is what it's all about!

You're allowed to use the LC, right? How was that on the Kumhos? Did people flip out when they saw you use it or is some form of LC common in auto-x (never done it myself)?
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