Who Wants to Race???
I'd be interested in an event like this. I'm not a highly funded race team and i have no one else to drive my car for me. I do have a very fast RR car and i am willing to put my money where my mouth is. You set something like this up and i'll be there money in hand. I believe the only reason people like ams are such big names in road racing is beause they have a whole company to back them. I know a few people that fund their racing themselves and could show ams and the rest a thing or two but just don't care enough to race for competition.
WarmPepsi, did you just insult Jon Krolewicz, or I misunderstood your post? Are you really saying Jon sucks as a driver, but the reason he win is the Evo??? 
The truth is, compared to some German makes Evo is inexpensive to mod and maintain. Thus, it should not be surprising to see these cars driven by many excellent drivers who race on a tight budget. Consequently, seeing these cars in a winners circle is unavoidable. But this post is not about cars. So let’s keep it on topic.
The truth is, compared to some German makes Evo is inexpensive to mod and maintain. Thus, it should not be surprising to see these cars driven by many excellent drivers who race on a tight budget. Consequently, seeing these cars in a winners circle is unavoidable. But this post is not about cars. So let’s keep it on topic.
I said those two cars WERE THE FASTEST "STREET" CARS.
I'm not saying Jon is slow by any means, the car wasn't hundreths ahead of the second place competitor, it was over a second and a half! That TTU car ran faster than the TTR times. damn.
This is the closest setup national organization to the "event" you're trying to pull off, therefore is the closest comparison.
Having rules like interior, or trying to relate back to the driver's line of work is a sham and will take you forever to figure out. However, best of luck. Anybody that wants to run a NASA TT, and throw down some money on the side for fast in class, or something, sure thing. But nobody with brains can honestly think they'd stand up to whats available out there.
If you've got a 400+ hp evo, and you're tracking it, AND you don't have a full cage... It was nice speaking with you. YOU NEED SAFETY GEAR. Not a matter of if, but when.
Off topic: for what it's worth, nasa's rules aren't that bad, if you simply read them and follow them. Makes for some extremely close competition.
So basicly if any one races any type of wheel to wheel they're considered pro? Does that mean Im a pro?
To me, pro means racing in professional level of motorsports and usually gets paid or a free ride for the season within a pro level series. World challenge, IMSA, Indy, etc.
Just because someone has a bunch of track experience does not make them a pro.
And yes, your going to have a hard time catching a properly built TA evo with any car you can think of. Yes I said any car. Just because the car is under 40k doesnt mean its not as fast as it is. Sure it doesnt have the "baller status" a lambo or ferrari has, but it does have 4 wheel drive at a very low weight with awesome balance and a HUGE aftermarket support.
As of right now, I dont think theres any TA car thats faster than the AMS TA car. And just wait till TAtoo.
It'll be great to see a 50k evo destroy a 200k built exotic. Ive alraedy know the recipe. And if im eligable, I'll be there to walk the walk and prove my talk. I bet $1000 on it.
To me, pro means racing in professional level of motorsports and usually gets paid or a free ride for the season within a pro level series. World challenge, IMSA, Indy, etc.
Just because someone has a bunch of track experience does not make them a pro.
And yes, your going to have a hard time catching a properly built TA evo with any car you can think of. Yes I said any car. Just because the car is under 40k doesnt mean its not as fast as it is. Sure it doesnt have the "baller status" a lambo or ferrari has, but it does have 4 wheel drive at a very low weight with awesome balance and a HUGE aftermarket support.
As of right now, I dont think theres any TA car thats faster than the AMS TA car. And just wait till TAtoo.
It'll be great to see a 50k evo destroy a 200k built exotic. Ive alraedy know the recipe. And if im eligable, I'll be there to walk the walk and prove my talk. I bet $1000 on it.
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You cannot build AMS's Evo for 50,000 including the car. The only way is that you would have to build from a wrecked or salvage titled car. My Friggin car has 50,000 into it all in and it's prepped to NASA TT TTA standards. More like 70-80,000 Evo...but still cheaper than a GT3. Time attack is still not bringing out the very fastest cars, even over a few laps. I would like to see the AMS Evo up against the fastest Speed World Challenge or ALMS GT cars...it's only a matter of time before cars prepared to this standard start compteting in TA...look what Sofronas did tot he other cars at Laguna last year....
So basicly if any one races any type of wheel to wheel they're considered pro? Does that mean Im a pro?
To me, pro means racing in professional level of motorsports and usually gets paid or a free ride for the season within a pro level series. World challenge, IMSA, Indy, etc.
Just because someone has a bunch of track experience does not make them a pro.
And yes, your going to have a hard time catching a properly built TA evo with any car you can think of. Yes I said any car. Just because the car is under 40k doesnt mean its not as fast as it is. Sure it doesnt have the "baller status" a lambo or ferrari has, but it does have 4 wheel drive at a very low weight with awesome balance and a HUGE aftermarket support.
As of right now, I dont think theres any TA car thats faster than the AMS TA car. And just wait till TAtoo.
It'll be great to see a 50k evo destroy a 200k built exotic. Ive alraedy know the recipe. And if im eligable, I'll be there to walk the walk and prove my talk. I bet $1000 on it.
To me, pro means racing in professional level of motorsports and usually gets paid or a free ride for the season within a pro level series. World challenge, IMSA, Indy, etc.
Just because someone has a bunch of track experience does not make them a pro.
And yes, your going to have a hard time catching a properly built TA evo with any car you can think of. Yes I said any car. Just because the car is under 40k doesnt mean its not as fast as it is. Sure it doesnt have the "baller status" a lambo or ferrari has, but it does have 4 wheel drive at a very low weight with awesome balance and a HUGE aftermarket support.
As of right now, I dont think theres any TA car thats faster than the AMS TA car. And just wait till TAtoo.
It'll be great to see a 50k evo destroy a 200k built exotic. Ive alraedy know the recipe. And if im eligable, I'll be there to walk the walk and prove my talk. I bet $1000 on it.
You cannot build AMS's Evo for 50,000 including the car. The only way is that you would have to build from a wrecked or salvage titled car. My Friggin car has 50,000 into it all in and it's prepped to NASA TT TTA standards. More like 70-80,000 Evo...but still cheaper than a GT3. Time attack is still not bringing out the very fastest cars, even over a few laps. I would like to see the AMS Evo up against the fastest Speed World Challenge or ALMS GT cars...it's only a matter of time before cars prepared to this standard start compteting in TA...look what Sofronas did tot he other cars at Laguna last year....
Second time it's a whole lot cheaper.
Especially when the car is new @ 30k.
Lets assume NASA results you pointed out represent reality from track-to-track and all TT events run each year (it didn’t). Lets further assume the competitive “car field” was fully represented during that event. IOW, all cars that could compete, did compete (obviously that was not the case). Also lets assume the weather did not favor AWD. Finally, lets assume TTR or TTU cars would be allowed to compete in the even I am suggesting. Look closely at the results. Do you see some high times like 1:53? Do you still think it’s all about Evo??? If you do – that is fine with me.
Cage in a street car is a bad idea. A miner accident could kill you. At the moment my track car is work-in-progress, but it is 450+hp with over $7K at wholesale price invested into suspension and when it is done it should weigh between 2800-2900lb. Yes, a cage, fire suppression and many other race only things are being installed. In about a month my car will no longer qualify for the proposed competition. But than again, I suck as a driver so it really does not matter what I drive, I would still come in last.
Cage in a street car is a bad idea. A miner accident could kill you. At the moment my track car is work-in-progress, but it is 450+hp with over $7K at wholesale price invested into suspension and when it is done it should weigh between 2800-2900lb. Yes, a cage, fire suppression and many other race only things are being installed. In about a month my car will no longer qualify for the proposed competition. But than again, I suck as a driver so it really does not matter what I drive, I would still come in last.
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your statement is confusing....
Do you mean starting off with a 12,000 car? That is the only way I can see building AMS car for 50,000.the engine and turbo alone would be 12,000 to replicate, without labor. the body kit, the carbon roof, the 4000.00 tires and wheels, the diffs, the braking system...etc....I'd love to see a cost analysis of one of these cars. this is part of the problem with the Evo. With the price of my car with the modifications, the high on track fuel and brake coasts, I could have bought a motorsports Exige, and spent about 1/2 the daily consumables and not have to suffer the "indignity" of having a car that all of your competition is unimpressed with because it's "so easy to drive it practically drives itself"
You're right Nils, shoulda coulda woulda...but, that's half the fun of posting here!
Last edited by Percywork; May 24, 2007 at 10:34 AM. Reason: clarification
Lets assume NASA results you pointed out represent reality from track-to-track and all TT events run each year (it didn’t). Lets further assume the competitive “car field” was fully represented during that event. IOW, all cars that could compete, did compete (obviously that was not the case). Also lets assume the weather did not favor AWD. Finally, lets assume TTR or TTU cars would be allowed to compete in the even I am suggesting. Look closely at the results. Do you see some high times like 1:53? Do you still think it’s all about Evo??? If you do – that is fine with me.
Cage in a street car is a bad idea. A miner accident could kill you. At the moment my track car is work-in-progress, but it is 450+hp with over $7K at wholesale price invested into suspension and when it is done it should weigh between 2800-2900lb. Yes, a cage, fire suppression and many other race only things are being installed. In about a month my car will no longer qualify for the proposed competition. But than again, I suck as a driver so it really does not matter what I drive, I would still come in last.
Cage in a street car is a bad idea. A miner accident could kill you. At the moment my track car is work-in-progress, but it is 450+hp with over $7K at wholesale price invested into suspension and when it is done it should weigh between 2800-2900lb. Yes, a cage, fire suppression and many other race only things are being installed. In about a month my car will no longer qualify for the proposed competition. But than again, I suck as a driver so it really does not matter what I drive, I would still come in last.
The event was open to all, if people don't show up in various cars, whos fault is that? We'll see again this year, who goes, and who does well within the set rules.
Last edited by WarmPepsi; May 24, 2007 at 11:54 AM.
your statement is confusing.... Do you mean starting off with a 12,000 car? That is the only way I can see building AMS car for 50,000.
the engine and turbo alone would be 12,000 to replicate, without labor. the body kit, the carbon roof, the 4000.00 tires and wheels, the diffs, the braking system...etc....I'd love to see a cost analysis of one of these cars. this is part of the problem with the Evo. With the price of my car with the modifications, the high on track fuel and brake coasts, I could have bought a motorsports Exige, and spent about 1/2 the daily consumables and not have to suffer the "indignity" of having a car that all of your competition is unimpressed with because it's "so easy to drive it practically drives itself"
You're right Nils, shoulda coulda woulda...but, that's half the fun of posting here!
Do you mean starting off with a 12,000 car? That is the only way I can see building AMS car for 50,000.the engine and turbo alone would be 12,000 to replicate, without labor. the body kit, the carbon roof, the 4000.00 tires and wheels, the diffs, the braking system...etc....I'd love to see a cost analysis of one of these cars. this is part of the problem with the Evo. With the price of my car with the modifications, the high on track fuel and brake coasts, I could have bought a motorsports Exige, and spent about 1/2 the daily consumables and not have to suffer the "indignity" of having a car that all of your competition is unimpressed with because it's "so easy to drive it practically drives itself"
You're right Nils, shoulda coulda woulda...but, that's half the fun of posting here!
cost a lot.
Started again with a IX GSR.
Realized what i needed, what i didn't. saved money.
I'm running TTA also. It's easy to blow through your points, without spending much, and getting an "effective" use out of them. If you're not doing engine work, it's much cheaper
(I'm saying, the second time you do it, you can make a good TTA car for less than 20k added on.)However, yes, the AMS car has some definate work.
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I agree.
If I was starting over I'd save money too
The perfect TTA car for me would be gutted 1990 E-30 M3 with a 275 HP turner motorsports 2.5 and turner tuned suspension...probably about 25,000 all in, and would kick *** on a lot of cars, Even Evos, on the right track in TTB-TTA....
If I was starting over I'd save money too
The perfect TTA car for me would be gutted 1990 E-30 M3 with a 275 HP turner motorsports 2.5 and turner tuned suspension...probably about 25,000 all in, and would kick *** on a lot of cars, Even Evos, on the right track in TTB-TTA....
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This would be fun to try but difficult to finalize.....
A couple of ideas:
1. Stock vehicles(not even after market air filters)(the way it came out of the factory)
2. Certain spec tire(kumho, toyo, nitto)on factory wheels
3. Race pads(your choice) stock rotors
4. Cost of car not to exceed $30K(maybe a little more)
5. stock seat belts
I don't know a couple of ideas.........A lot of details need to be established.......lets see what happens All I know if this comes full circle I'm in
If you need help PM me
A couple of ideas:
1. Stock vehicles(not even after market air filters)(the way it came out of the factory)
2. Certain spec tire(kumho, toyo, nitto)on factory wheels
3. Race pads(your choice) stock rotors
4. Cost of car not to exceed $30K(maybe a little more)
5. stock seat belts
I don't know a couple of ideas.........A lot of details need to be established.......lets see what happens All I know if this comes full circle I'm in
If you need help PM me
I agree.
If I was starting over I'd save money too
The perfect TTA car for me would be gutted 1990 E-30 M3 with a 275 HP turner motorsports 2.5 and turner tuned suspension...probably about 25,000 all in, and would kick *** on a lot of cars, Even Evos, on the right track in TTB-TTA....
If I was starting over I'd save money too
The perfect TTA car for me would be gutted 1990 E-30 M3 with a 275 HP turner motorsports 2.5 and turner tuned suspension...probably about 25,000 all in, and would kick *** on a lot of cars, Even Evos, on the right track in TTB-TTA....
My original post mentions early days of ultimate fighting as inspiration. Back then there were no rules. It was a street fight where 120lb guys were taking on and sometimes wining against 220lb fighters. At the very beginning most of them (maybe all) were amateur fighters. Then people start making rules – weight classes, number of rounds, judges - shortly after I stopped watching. There are lots of series where a dedicated driver can compete, but none where a bozo like me how has a job and many other hobbies can come for a weekend of fun and a chance for some major bucks. After reading your feedback, which I truly appreciate, I have some ideas on new revised simple rules. I’ll try to post them tonight.