I'm reviewing the rules of a local racing club, and I'd like to be able to run an FP Green without moving into the "Prepared" category, which is basically all the real race cars.

Here's a quote from the Street category which I'd like to be in:So my question is, since the Green turbo has the same form, fit, and function of the stock turbo, I'd still be in this class, correct?

 

i would think so i think you could get away with it but i won't swear by it.

 

It would go down something like this:

You'd do like 4 events before anyone would care that your car was modified because it takes a few years to be even close to competitive in COM. There's a lot of depth in the driving ability there.

Once you were in the mix for results you'd be protested because everyone knows what a stock evo looks like on NHIS and LRP and you'd be embarassed that you skirted the rules (especially the safety aspect of the rules designed to keep cars without roll protection operating within their safety zone) and got called out on it.

The other thing is that the FP green won't be any faster unless you run race gas which makes it a questionable choice for cheating.

 

The FP Green is not much more than a modified IX turbo, right?

This is good but I'm not sure it would be allowed as it's built to function better than the stock and as such is not identical.

You would have to talk to folks with the club and see what they feel their take on this wording is.

 

OK, thanks for the feedback... I'm not trying to figure out the best way to cheat, I'm trying to plan which class I'll be in. If modifying the stock turbo falls within the rules, it's not cheating and I'll be happy. If it doesn't, then I won't use it... simple as that.

I also beg to differ on the assumption that the green won't be any faster... but the class does restrict boost levels to stock, so I may not see a big benefit.

As far as cars without roll protection... I will have an AutoPower Roll bar w/ 3" 5 point harness. You seem very condescending, but maybe you're just having a rough week. Anyways, thanks for the help.

 

I'm looking at the last part of the rule, which states:So, since the Green is a modified stock part that fits as stock and performs the same function, I would think it would be allowed.

 

If you're trying to use a hybrid turbo in the Showroom stock class you are trying to cheat. Sorry if my words are coming across as condescending. The bottom line is that you're ignoring the word "identical." Careful interpretation of the rules is a very important part of racing and being competitive but take a step back and think about what "Showroom stock" means.

If you have a cage you can step it up to a prepared class. I don't see why not. Your car is already not legal for Showroom Stock with cams, intercooler and pill.

The green won't be faster. Your boost is limited. It will most likely be less responsive and you be slower. That turbo doesn't perform well at low boost.


Another thing is that the turbo won't matter for a long time. I'm not trying to be a dick I'm just trying to tell you like it is.

Also, by your logic above a built motor would be legal also since it's the same "form and function" So would 3 way adjustable suspension since it's the same form and function etc etc.

 

Well clearly your assumption that I'm trying to fit into Showroom Stock is the problem here... I'm not.

My original post:ie, the Street Touring class is what I'm aiming for, not Stock...

 

The same rules apply for ST classes regarding boost and power upgrades.

 

No, it'll put you into a prepared category.

Try changing your mods to fit in the street touring class, and run there. Its fun, competitive without having to spend tons of money on built engines, race gas, etc.

 

Some of these rule interpretations are just hilarious. If mods just had to have the same "form fit and function" one could upgrade pretty much everything.

 

I would argue at the very least the turbine wheel of the green does not have the same form as a stock turbo. I'm sure you could come up with other things that are dimensionally not the same. There really is no argument that a FP green is anywhere near similar to the stock turbo. I mean sure they're both turbos, but i think 'form, fit, and function' goes a little deeper then "i call them both turbos and they have the same mounting flange".

 

I think you can run a green in SM, didnt daddio just upgrade to one?

 

SM is pretty much anything goes, from what I remember.

 

How is living up to the letter of the law cheating? I know folks who have done all sorts of creative and wild things that stayed within the letter of the law but obviously ran afoul of the intent. Were they cheating just because they went over the rules with a fine tooth comb trying to find every possible pitfall and or advantage they could?

I think what we have here is simply a person who is trying to make the most educated choices possible in regard to how they want to invest their time and money.

Thats not cheating, it's wise.