Decent track suspension..?
Ahh, yes... the tried and true "if you can't adjust it, bend it" method.
There was a guy that was almost protested at Nationals last year because his camber was significantly more negative than anyone else with that type of car. Turns out it was just an old car with a ton of miles on it.
There was a guy that was almost protested at Nationals last year because his camber was significantly more negative than anyone else with that type of car. Turns out it was just an old car with a ton of miles on it.
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Ahh, yes... the tried and true "if you can't adjust it, bend it" method.
There was a guy that was almost protested at Nationals last year because his camber was significantly more negative than anyone else with that type of car. Turns out it was just an old car with a ton of miles on it.
There was a guy that was almost protested at Nationals last year because his camber was significantly more negative than anyone else with that type of car. Turns out it was just an old car with a ton of miles on it.
You are welcome! But seriously talk to Mueller about those concerns as I said it could be a non-issue on the EVO. Just as the KW front bracket bending on the Suby is apparently a non-issue on the EVO given the shorter bracket length.
My guess is, the Subaru suspension world is a little different from the EVO world. There weren't many affordable solutions from Ohlins, Motons, JRZ, KWs or bilstein for the WRX platform when I was driving a WRX. Neither were they well known among the community. Most people just ended up getting Teins, Cuscos or <insert random JDM company here>. Naturally if you've been subjected to Teins and get a chance to try something a little more high end that doesn't rattle your fillings loose while driving on the street, word is going to spread about that. I'm under the impression that Zzyzx brought race level Koni shocks to the Subaru community and word travelled through the grapevine. Eg: look at the price of Bilstein PSS-9s on the WRX they are still outrageously priced (if you can find them).
On the other hand, the EVO got off to a good start with plenty of well known suspension tuners Muellerized, Robispec, Paul Gerard. The EVO also got quick access to some relatively high end stuff eg: Ohlins, Motons, DMS, KWs and prices weren't as outrageous. That is probably why Zzyzx isn't as popular with this community ...
I guess you are refering to the Mini driver ...
What chuu talkin' about Willis! .... (edited for more dramatical effect)
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I know, right? It's a steal, but there's no buzz on evom about them. As far as I can tell I think mine will be the first evo set -- with every bell and whistle. The best thing of all is the support. You should see my inbox. I have pages and pages of crazy ideas and questions to steve.
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My guess is, the Subaru suspension world is a little different from the EVO world. There weren't many affordable solutions from Ohlins, Motons, JRZ, KWs or bilstein for the WRX platform when I was driving a WRX. Neither were they well known among the community. Most people just ended up getting Teins, Cuscos or <insert random JDM company here>. Naturally if you've been subjected to Teins and get a chance to try something a little more high end that doesn't rattle your fillings loose while driving on the street, word is going to spread about that. I'm under the impression that Zzyzx brought race level Koni shocks to the Subaru community and word travelled through the grapevine. Eg: look at the price of Bilstein PSS-9s on the WRX they are still outrageously priced (if you can find them).
On the other hand, the EVO got off to a good start with plenty of well known suspension tuners Muellerized, Robispec, Paul Gerard. The EVO also got quick access to some relatively high end stuff eg: Ohlins, Motons, DMS, KWs and prices weren't as outrageous. That is probably why Zzyzx isn't as popular with this community ...
Originally Posted by GTLocke13
There was a guy that was almost protested at Nationals last year because his camber was significantly more negative than anyone else with that type of car. Turns out it was just an old car with a ton of miles on it.
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I've seen 12k/14k stiff *** coilovers with 245 Falkens .....weak!
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Here's how the theory goes on suspension setup, just so you know.
1) Figure out what natural frequency you want. Ideal is around 2.2-2.5 Hz, I think (but don't quote me). Do some research and you'll find plenty of info.
2) The natural frequency is determined by the unsprung weight and the spring rate. You can measure your unsprung weight. This will tell you the spring rate you need.
3) The ideal shock valving can be figured once you know the spring rate and unsprung weight.
There are a ton of details I'm glossing over, but that's the meat of it. Its a second-order differential equation with three constants, two of which you are free to mess with.
1) Figure out what natural frequency you want. Ideal is around 2.2-2.5 Hz, I think (but don't quote me). Do some research and you'll find plenty of info.
2) The natural frequency is determined by the unsprung weight and the spring rate. You can measure your unsprung weight. This will tell you the spring rate you need.
3) The ideal shock valving can be figured once you know the spring rate and unsprung weight.
There are a ton of details I'm glossing over, but that's the meat of it. Its a second-order differential equation with three constants, two of which you are free to mess with.
Also to clarify, frequencies are chosen for each end of the car so you will end up with two values, sometimes they are the same but most times they are not.
sat. doing some banking.
People modify things, install parts wrong, buy used parts, etc... Considering the guy didn't know what material his strut was and admitted to seeing a crack but still entered a competition, are you going to give him much credibility?
JIC's definitely qualify as a decent track suspension per the original post.
