I feel sorta bad for the dude. Nobody wants to hurt their car and this off left a mark.

I would love to get more info not to grill the guy but as a bit of a post mortem of sorts. The more I learn the more I find out I don't know so I would hope that we can take the misfortune of others and maybe learn a little and all be safer as a result.

No blame, no names, no BS... just everyone safer, faster and better.

Anyone know this guy or if he posts here? He was in the advance group so he's obviously not a total newb. One thing I ponder and will defer to those who see it more clearly than I but it seems as if his line gets maybe a bit less consistent as the speeds climb.

I know for myself, I don't have the ability of some of those special rare drivers who can just jump in a car and drive it fast out of the box. I need to learn the feel at speed and get past the pucker factor that big numbers will sometimes give. I wonder if this drivers reptile brain started helping him turning in early as he got less comfortable thus causing some issues?

 

it's not early apexed. it's just a different way to take turn 1. he just ran out of stopping power (locked them up or whatever).

The Porsche club ("safest" or at least "most rigorous" club around here) advocates the super late turn-in that puts you practically parallel to the edge of the track during your braking for DE's.

Regarding the transition, it is actually almost harsher when you stay low. you kind of learn where the smooth spots are. All of the racers stay real low and close to the apron because it knocks of some distance, and can protect the line. turn 1 and 2 are by far the most entertaining to watch as a spectator, as there are several different fast ways through it, and sometimes you have cars all taking different lines passing and repassing each other while stacked 3 wide. imo it's also the place most likely to find car2car contact...

 

Hmm.. he was in advanced? The car was obviously very fast, but he was inconsistent in his lines, and IMO blowing most of the apexs; I've done 3 days at TWS so I do know the layout.

Like Texrex said, there's all sorts of lines going into turn 1. I generally like to stay high up on the track and turn down off the banking near the end of the fence along the main straight. If you look into the background, you can see a big antenna. I straight line brake hard aiming straight at that and then turn in.

The thing I don't like about staying down low on the apron into 1 is that you don't really have an opportunity to straight line brake. So you'll end up trading braking force for turning. In this guys case, he didn't have enough of either causing him to run wide and off. Oh well, that's the risk we all take. A guy rolled his STI at Streets of Willow a few weeks back...

 

Common dude, he was in the advanced group. That was a novice mistake for running in the advanced group. Everyone messes up, but the bigger the messup, the bigger the consequences.

 

yeah, not sure I'd say blowing most of the apexes, but he/she's definitely not consistently in the fast places on the track to be. They did run 2:07's or so, so not really all that slow, but there was quite a bit still on the table.

If you stay low, you can start your braking right where you "apex" the grass on the left. You can still straight line brake from there, pointed somewhat towards the radio tower (if you're still going 140+, you may not have enough room though... . you have to set up for the turn in to 2 so it's almost like adding a little extra turn since you have to get parallel to the edge of the track to turn in well for 2. Oh, and of course you violate the blend line but that's not a real biggie as long as no-one is coming out of the pits.

 

I've seen worse mistakes in advanced groups. Heck I've seen worse mistakes from professional drivers. I agree that yes he messed up, but he's already suffered the consequences.

I just think your choice of wordse is judgemental and uncalled for. It was a miscalculation and just a bad choice in how to take the turn. Who hasn't done that before?

If you can judge so harshly feel free to post vids of your driving (and dont edit out the mistake laps) for people to call you an idiot, because everyone has idiot moments.

 

I would gladly have people critisize my driving, therefore I could use that extra knowlege.

This is the internet buddy, chill out and laugh a little. I'd be laughing at you if you had made that mistake, and I hope the same if it were vice versa. Since when did life (and the freaking internet for that matter) become so much like walking on a pane of glass? sweet jesus

 

FOTE made a jab which was a little harsh and now we are going to beat him up for it for weeks on end?

I do agree that it is a bit harsh to call a dude out who has already paid a huge price by bending up his car and almost hurting himself BADLY. I also feel we can learn from mistakes without being tools about it.

I just don't care to be a tool to someone to prove that being a tool is bad.

 

2 posts in a matter of a day or so = weeks on end?

A bit overdramatic dont ya think?

To many judgemental, no driving, bench racers on the net dissing everyone else's driving like they actually have some real credentials. Guys that really can drive arent so quick to pass judgement because they know everyone makes mistakes.

 

Eh... it feels like weeks.

If the bickering stops it would prove me wrong.

 

And very few drivers would be able to keep their car from ending up in a ball when their inside front tire (hoosier R6, for the guy who asked) delaminates under braking from 150+, yet this one did. Gotta love the peanut gallery.
Yeah the low line is aggressive and doesn't leave much room for error, but some people have *****, others don't. (Full disclosure: I use the divebomb, point it at the radio tower line texrex mentioned, but I'm a *****.)

 

Being that Im not from texas and have never driven that track, I have no idea what the correct line is.

But from watching that video, there is no way the "low agressive line" is the fast way around that corner. Im sorry, but the guy made a mistake, it happens to everyone. Some just happen to be worse than others.

Now if his tire delaminated, obviously that throws allot, if not all, of driver error out the window. But I didnt see much in the video to indicate something so dramatic was happening.

And bluestreak. Almost none of us are pro drivers. Including me. But making asinine assumptions about people being "bench racers" just puts you in that "******* slot" right along side me. And anyone who is "quick", well, that can be (as you said) anyone. And anyone can say anything they want. Therefore anyone who might be quick can say anything they want. So, suck it.

 

horrible driving lines will do that...