I dont exactly understand how he got so sideways from that but either way he didnt even countersteer at all...its a good thing it only happened at a relatively slow speed.

 

I think he didn't like the guy and said eff it.

 

Easy enough to do. Kinda stupid for the pit out to be in a low grip area like that. He was going wide in too low of a gear firstly. Then he got onto the wet rubble strip which is like ice if it's fresh. Weight shifted the second he lifted off the throttle ( you can hear the BOV) to the front, back was still going fast since it wasn't gripping and went the direction the car was already going, then he applied the brakes which gave the car grip on the outside tires again so it corrected itself and started to go straight, but he was too late, going too fast, making too many mistakes in fractions of a second. Looks like it was wet too on some noisy/not gripping tires. For some of the previous posters, in this situation you MUST NOT LIFT but modulate the throttle, keeping grip on all 4 tires even if it means missing your apex. If your going towards a wall, straighten the car out for a few feet to use the brakes.

 

That too

 

that was a very rookie move. I mean there was 0 correction to try to avoid the accident. That whole oversteer wasnt that bad neither that high speed... It should have been an easy fix.

Absolute perfect show case about the very limited experience in AWD driving.

that is why i alway saying , everyone who have an evo , should do at least 2 HPDE.

Rob

 

Just out of curiousity, what are the financial impacts of such an... uh... impact?

If you're in a sanctioned HPDE, does one's insurance cover that? If so or if not, are there policies one can get to cover that specific sort of incident?

I'm just feeling for the poor, inexperienced Evo driver if he had to pay that out of pocket.

Not that I am advocating "screwing" the insurance company. The company provides coverage based on an estimated risk for a particular cost. If the HPDE is not explicitly excluded (or better yet, explicitly included) it is within the assigned risk of the policy and loss should be covered, eh?

 

you can buy a "buy on track insurance" when you are running HPDE over a 100K coverige.

 

Ya depends on what option he took, esp since that was in Europe. If that was a US track, with any normal club, the insurance that the club has is for itself. If you hit any THING on track, you are responsible for it such as tire walls, paint, even grass 100%. If you hit another CAR on track, it gets a bit tricky. Technically your insurance (95% of them) will tell you HAHAHA and have a nice day, oh and by the way your canceled. The M3 Insurance would tell him the same thing. What then happens is the M3 driver reads the Lic plate of the Evo driver, finds him, and sues him. Other options include HPDE/Race insurance, which can cover a specified amount you think the car's worth, with a rather large deductible. Buuuuttt, this only covers your car, not the M3. Enter the track at your own risk.

 

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Lockton's also got a cool race car program where it'll insure your car everywhere EXCEPT the race track, which is a HELL of a lot cheaper then insuring it as if it were a stock car, and say your garage burned down or a tire blew out and banged it up on the trailer, stuff stolen, etc. Stated values just like above. I'm sure most of us in here can't just "write off" everything we've put into them.

 

I might look into that one , but my car has to be street legal with a good insurance. They do that too?

 

Mine too, but not sure, I didn't go much further with it at the time. Should be linked on the same page though.

 

My question is, what the hell were the organizers thinking of letting out cars when there is still ppl out on track from the previous session. If it was already a hot track and people were coming on late or in the middle of the session, thats a different story. Looks like there was a line of cars waiting to get released. Why did the grid marshall let them out if it was clearly not clear. Maybe different organizations have different rules of releasing cars. I would think they would start releasing when the previous sessions cars are at least half way around the track or the last car is a few turns from pitting. Who knows, anyones guess.

And yea, rookie mistake on the evo driver. He did like 5 things wrong in 2s.
1) He was on the wet painted stuff.
2) He was wot on the wet painted stuff.
3) He lifted after losing traction.
4) Didnt countersteer when his rear end came around
5) Braking didnt help either.

Lucky he didnt hit the GTR R34 or else good game. I wondered what happened next. Do they go all around the track to pit. Or go the opposite way to pit. Red Flag? Sucks.

 

Great grammar.

 

You can speculate all day, but you cant really tell unless you were there. Looks like he hit the rumble strip while boosting and lost traction, then went 2 feet in a little early to me. But who knows.