Alright i put lightweight bucket seats with harnesses and a harness bar in my evo 10.
I have no cage or roll bar is this legal on the road course?

 

Each race or HPDE group has their own rules, it will depend. But typically it's fine.

 

Okay thats great news. thank you.

 

4 point? 5 point? 6 point?

IMHO you are safer with the stock belts assuming you can get them to work with your seats.

 

5-point and i no longer have stock seats and seatbelts.
I will get a cage eventually to mount the harnesses on but it wasn't on my "to do soon" list.

 

I personally would never run a seat and belt system that keeps you up right when a bar is not present to keep the car from crushing you. Also any plans to drive on the street?

 

Its Daily driven right now but it is going to be moved to a weekend/track car.

 

I would not ask if it is legal, I'd ask if it is safe. From your description, that setup does not sound safe.

Do a search on this forum on harness bars, I recall there being a thread with pictures of bent harness bars. I would not trust them. You need to bolt the belts directly to a car or a roll bar. Harness bars are usually used as a height adjuster for the shoulder straps, not as an actual anchor point.

Also, as already mentioned by some, using a bucket with harness will not fly without a roll bar.

 

I think its legal, but im not sure. I would deff buy a roll bar or something if you dont have the cash for a cage

 

I have plans to buy a full cage but i am just trying to get some time on a course can i not do that with my seats and harness bar?

 

This is the bar i have. It says for use on and off the track but i mean if its not aloud then there really is no point of selling this bar there is really no point in having harness's unless you track your car lol. and i did not buy this bar i got it in a trade deal with the seats and harness's


https://rallyinnovations.com/product...php?prod_id=44

 

legal yes. safe no. been covered dozens of times. either mount the belts directly to the rear belt mounting points, and only do that until you can afford a cage.

i wont go into details, ill let the vultures come in a do clean up duty.

 

as long as its legal and i am let onto the track now before i get flamed for being unsafe i am just trying to get onto the track with an instructor for now i will be getting a full cage when i am ready to go all out. obviously i would like to be safe. thank you

 

Looking at the cusco cage's the prices aren't even that bad. i will defiantly try and get one before my first track day.

 

Make sure you get a bar that meets SCCA standards. I recall that some Cusco "show car" bars don't. Check Autopower - these have been proven to be accepted.

Your setup would not pass in our local BMW club events (they may let you go as long as you used your stock seatbelts and not the harnesses). In addition, both passenger and driver have to have the same setup. Lastly, the instructor has the final word in deeming that your car is safe enough for them to get in. Depending how your stock belts are routed in the bucket, I would refuse (especially if they are routed on top of the bucket instead of going through the proper belt holes).