How do you justify risking crashing on track?
As most would say, this sport is not for the $$$ averse crowd. The ones whom are literally addicted, myself included, choose to ignore it. I live 1000x more in my car on the track then doing much anything else (myself, not including family). At the end of the day, its still cheaper then folding up a porsche but just as fast, so thats how I look at it.
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As most would say, this sport is not for the $$$ averse crowd. The ones whom are literally addicted, myself included, choose to ignore it. I live 1000x more in my car on the track then doing much anything else (myself, not including family). At the end of the day, its still cheaper then folding up a porsche but just as fast, so thats how I look at it.
If you are that concerned, look at this company
LOCKTON Motorsports / HPDE Insurance
http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=3
LOCKTON Motorsports / HPDE Insurance
http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=3
Single-event policy: $198
6-event policy: $959
9-event policy: $1274
12-event policy: $1500
15-event policy: $1688

Do you use this? I would probably add it if I was running the car on a track with little to no run-off or lots of walls.
I only run tracks that have enough room to cover for my mistakes. That just means I have to drive a bit farther to get to them, but that's fine with me. It's already saved my *** a few times.
In the end, I've made my peace with knowing that I may ruin a very expensive toy in the process. I figure I'll just repair what I can or part it out and buy something else.
As most would say, this sport is not for the $$$ averse crowd. The ones whom are literally addicted, myself included, choose to ignore it. I live 1000x more in my car on the track then doing much anything else (myself, not including family). At the end of the day, its still cheaper then folding up a porsche but just as fast, so thats how I look at it.
Sort of like Rob said, I don't feel the need to "justify" it. I don't justify driving in the winter or at night, this isn't any different for me.
It's a calculated risk. The club I usually run with has very, very few incidents, and when they do occur they are generally minor. People that do go off and heavily damage/write off their cars are usually pushing very hard, and I'm not at the point yet. I still unconsciously leave myself a littel margin of error.
It's a calculated risk. The club I usually run with has very, very few incidents, and when they do occur they are generally minor. People that do go off and heavily damage/write off their cars are usually pushing very hard, and I'm not at the point yet. I still unconsciously leave myself a littel margin of error.
Im kind of at a crossroads here. I want to build something just a bit more than a less than Street prepared car. I of course love my evo but my concern is a single off moment on a track day smacking a wall or worse and trashing a 20k car.
Alternatively I could have about as much into a ~300hp turbo Miata and only be risking a couple thousand for a new chassis if something should happen.
How do you justify it, or do you just not care?
Alternatively I could have about as much into a ~300hp turbo Miata and only be risking a couple thousand for a new chassis if something should happen.
How do you justify it, or do you just not care?
I don't plan on any on track competition events, just HPDE around here. I know my insurance doesn't cover anything on track though I do tow when I'm racing so there's always tow it home and Lie (lol, not recommended).
Technically I can afford to wad it up and walk away, but its still quite a bit to walk away from. Guess its just the risk you take
. I was just curious what others did or how the felt.
Technically I can afford to wad it up and walk away, but its still quite a bit to walk away from. Guess its just the risk you take
$30,000 car with mods:
Single-event policy: $198
6-event policy: $959
9-event policy: $1274
12-event policy: $1500
15-event policy: $1688

Do you use this? I would probably add it if I was running the car on a track with little to no run-off or lots of walls.
Agree 100%, I tell my wife this all the time.
+1
I only run tracks that have enough room to cover for my mistakes. That just means I have to drive a bit farther to get to them, but that's fine with me. It's already saved my *** a few times.
In the end, I've made my peace with knowing that I may ruin a very expensive toy in the process. I figure I'll just repair what I can or part it out and buy something else.
Single-event policy: $198
6-event policy: $959
9-event policy: $1274
12-event policy: $1500
15-event policy: $1688

Do you use this? I would probably add it if I was running the car on a track with little to no run-off or lots of walls.
Agree 100%, I tell my wife this all the time.
+1
I only run tracks that have enough room to cover for my mistakes. That just means I have to drive a bit farther to get to them, but that's fine with me. It's already saved my *** a few times.
In the end, I've made my peace with knowing that I may ruin a very expensive toy in the process. I figure I'll just repair what I can or part it out and buy something else.
For HPDE's depending on the peace of mind and the likelyhood of an incident, check out track insurance. I've run track insurance for HPDEs for peace of mind (www.ontrackinsurance.com) but I'll be doing only TT events next season which of course aren't covered. Otherwise, pretty much don't race what you can't afford to lose. It isn't much cheaper breaking motors, transmissions etc anyway.
If you want to track on the cheap, then a Miata is the ticket. If you fold it up you can just buy another one.
If you want to track on the cheap, then a Miata is the ticket. If you fold it up you can just buy another one.
Im kind of at a crossroads here. I want to build something just a bit more than a less than Street prepared car. I of course love my evo but my concern is a single off moment on a track day smacking a wall or worse and trashing a 20k car.
Alternatively I could have about as much into a ~300hp turbo Miata and only be risking a couple thousand for a new chassis if something should happen.
How do you justify it, or do you just not care?
Alternatively I could have about as much into a ~300hp turbo Miata and only be risking a couple thousand for a new chassis if something should happen.
How do you justify it, or do you just not care?
Basically what he ment was racing is not a poor mans hobby and you have to pay to play. If you want to play at the big boy level you have to learn how to keep your car in one piece while not caring if it falls apart.
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honestly I don't remember if I ever thought about " WHAT IF " ... Like with everything else in life, you have to take good with bad. Once you start questioning yourself, there's no point of doing it.
As most would say, this sport is not for the $$$ averse crowd. The ones whom are literally addicted, myself included, choose to ignore it. I live 1000x more in my car on the track then doing much anything else (myself, not including family). At the end of the day, its still cheaper then folding up a porsche but just as fast, so thats how I look at it.
If I wreck/blow up the car beyond salvage, oh well, I figure out how to get a new one.
It is actually very quite simple. Never race a car on the track that you will not/cannot walk away from. if you cannot afford to walk away from it, then you shouldnt be racing on the track.
This exactly. Aside from that, put it out of your mind. You simply cannot think that way on the track. Too timid can be much more dangerous than too aggressive. They say you can psych yourself into making mistakes, and I assure you, they are correct.
this.
I never put the car on the line. Never. It's just not worth it. A couple of years back I ran an event on the national tour. Had Sam Strano ride along. The last corner turned into a sweeper that Sam suggested I take at WOT and drift out toward the gate. All I could see was my Evo stuffed into the rocks in the adjoining field. Needless to say, I drove at my comfort level.
Maybe it’s just me but I feel more comfortable on track with other drivers I know are at the same experience level than I do in traffic on the way to the track.
Do the HPDE days not open track days until you are comfortable.














. At least thats what my credit cards tell me!