I'm getting ready to order harnesses for my Evo 8. The shoulder belts will be the wrap around style to go on the rollbar. I'm just curious about how you guys are mounting the lap belts though. Snap into eye bolts? Bolt in? Where exactly do you bolt them? I will run them for a while on the stock Recaros and then switch to Recaro Pole Positions or SPG's.
Right now I'm going back and forth between Crow, TeamTech(have had an liked quite well) and Schroth(also have like quite well in the past.)

 

I'm using snap in's with the eyelets. Replaced the factory outside seatbelt bolt's with eyelets(still retaining factory seatbelts for street use). The inner one is a diff story. I had been using an eye bolt to replace the factory buckle bolt on the seat rail, and removing the center console.

However I intend to pickup the eye bolts on jid2's site so that I can replace the back inside rear seat bolt, and then all I have to do is remove the console and clip in the harnesses, as opposed to removing the console and changing the bolt.

 

Thanks, I'll check out his site.

 

I used JID2's eye bolts on the inside, screw right into the factory belt mounting hole. Outside, eye bolt threads nicely into the outer lap belt mounting hole.

You didn't mention submarine belt(s). Surely you are not getting a 4-pt?

 

That's true...he mentioned using the stock seats. How do you plan on going about that?

I'm still using stockers A nice bowie knife helped make room for the sub straps, eye bolts bolted to the floor with 3x3 plates underside.

 

I'm using eyelets in the 2 holes behind the seat rails under the carpet for my lap belts.

 

If you don't want to destroy your seat then buy a 6 point and attach the sub belts to the same place as the lap belt. Then you run them up and over the seat and sit on the sub belts.

 

No, no, no. That is dangerous! What you describe is a belt configuration that is sometimes used in formula type cars, where the seating is laid back versus upright like in a car. These belts are designed to go around the legs and require a racing seat that has no cushion to absorb the energy.

You do not want to use a regular 6pt belt configured as a formula style belt. You do not want to use a formula around the leg style belt with stock or upright seats. These will not work properly.

Please do proper research!

More tid-bits from http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/docs/Co...structions.pdf

- The different racing harness geometries allow specific installation according to the requirements of each model.
- Never use the Racing Harness unless the racing seat is designed with anti-submarining holes.
- Never run the anti-submarining straps over the front edge of a factory seat down to the floor. Such routing does not provide the desired anti-submarining effect, and in fact encourages submarining, which can cause severe injury and death.
- Anti-sub straps must not be redirected. Redirected straps, e.g. using an OE stock seat for a formula type racing harness and running the straps over the seat edges down to an anchor point, will provide extra slack during a crash and the expected performance will not result. Slack from such anti-sub strap routing will allow a buckle ride up during an accident which results in higher upper torso and head movement. This increases the risk of head impact, head and neck injuries and internal injury.

 

It is a SCCA legal mounting method.

I have seen plenty of sub strap mounting problems. I would rather someone mount them this way then cut up a seat that is not meant to be cut. You will also run into a lot of shoulder harnesd height problems if you look around.


Is it the "right way", no but you have to make compromises.

And reading thru that stuff you posted. It's stating not to use formula type seatbelts like we are talking about. Not sedan type seatbelts.

 

The proper compromise in my opinion would then be to use a 4pt with ASM (Anti-Sub Marine). Regular 4pt's should not be used.

 

If you look at the belts they are talking about not doing this with( formula belt). I can see why they don't want them used like that. The sub belts run thru loops in the lap belt.

 

Also, think about it for a second. There is only 1 non adjustable hole in a race seat for a sub belt. There are many different size poeple that fit in the seat. Not everyone has the sub belt in the perfect position to not allow any movement or submarining. (not to mention that most people don't like it as tight as it really should be). One of the big reasons for the sub belt it to stop the harness camlock from not rising during an impact. (as stated above).

 

Biggest factor is where it attatches to the floor. It has a position based on the line created by how the harness lays down the torso.

Diff positions for 5 vs 6 point too.

 

i've used a teamtech jetpilot harness with great results on stock VIII seats. It would be a great option for you. Easy, easy to mount.